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20mmrain Added a comment about feature Shimano XT 12-Speed Long-Term Review

7/31/2020 5:40am
I would agree with everything you said on this review. I would only add that I wish Shimano would have added a more solid black coating on their 11 and 12 speed cog. The black finish wears off easily if your doing a lot of climbing it get scratched up easily. While I know it is only an aesthetic knock on the product and it does not affect functioality...for the price of this drive train...I think they could have used a much better coating! Same applies for XTR and SLX. Look at GX and X01 it holds up much better.
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Raine Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 8:30pm
I read the other comments so far and the reality is this: what it "feels" like doesn't make something that is wrong right. I've been a customer of Slik for years now (luckily for Rockshox decals) and they have been doing a great service for us non-professional non-sponsored "we just like riding our bikes and love customizing them with stickers we can't make for ourselves" type of people. But no matter how your feelings are or what you "think" is right, Fox bringing the legality of the situation is as clear as can be. It's their IP. It's their trademarks...
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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Kusa Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
It's hard to agree on something if you violated their license for many years. Not the best starting point and Slik was 100% aware of what they are doing and that one day this could happen. Honestly, coming from creative industry, I always though Slik (and similar businesses) must have some great deals with these companies such as RS or Fox, or otherwise running business like that must be a pure madness. Well I was wrong.
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mixmastamikal Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
I agree that Fox has every right to defend their trademark but it definitely is a dick move. At the end of the day though we must realize that Fox has been a publicly traded company for some time now and their priority is to do what is profitable to the shareholder. Maybe they will be launching a custom graphics program soon or something.
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Falcon Liked a reply to forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:20pm
Slik doesn't get to make an offer, no matter how reasonable they think it is. Fox gets to decide what their license is worth.
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20mmrain Added a reply to Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:19pm
You know what... You make a great argument to be honest. Legally speaking. And I agree that from the perspective I don't really have a leg to stand on. In this instance though this just feels wrong and I disagree with Foxes motion. It almost comes across as child that doesn't want their toy until they see how much fun...

20mmrain Added a reply to Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 4:18pm
You know what... You make a great argument to be honest. Legally speaking. And I agree that from the perspective I don't really have a leg to stand on. In this instance though this just feels wrong and I disagree with Foxes motion. It almost comes across as child that doesn't want their toy until they see how much fun...

20mmrain Added a reply to Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 2:13pm
Understood but the conversation has to start somewhere. And from the impression I got, it didn't seem like there was any communication coming from Fox, let alone how much it was worth to them. Logically and legally speaking here .. Fox is in the right. If I look at it from just those parameters then yes I would side with...

20mmrain Added a reply to Fox and Slik Graphics

7/28/2020 7:01am
Agreed... But from the side of Slik it sounds like they tried to make an offer to them. Now we'll have to take their word that it was fair, but it sounds as if they tried to do the right thing as soon as they were notified.

guy_the_rev Liked a forum topic Fox and Slik Graphics

7/27/2020 12:46pm
Just had this drop into my inbox, some of you might like to know the following “Slik Graphics Update - Brand Removed - Fox Guy We are writing to let you know that we've removed Fox content and decals from our site and offering. Late July, we were contacted out of the blue by the suits representing Fox Factory stating their demand for us to remove potentially trademark infringing content at short notice. If we did not comply with their demands they would exercise costly legal actions. We are a family business, this is very much a David and Goliath...
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