No, but I used to ride Patapsco 3-4 times a week when I lived in the city.
I’m part of GUMBO, which primarily does trail work in Little Gunpowder State Park. It doesn’t have the mileage of Patapsco but its has a good variety of trails, great core group that does a ton of maintenance and building, and it’s 2 miles from my house. If anyone ever finds themselves in my neck of the woods, reach out and I’ll give them a tour of the park.
You know, "natural, crazy lines" that are "too technical for the majority of riders" don't have to be erosion risks. You can build steep, natural, crazy...
You know, "natural, crazy lines" that are "too technical for the majority of riders" don't have to be erosion risks. You can build steep, natural, crazy trails that hold up to traffic, and like you said, if they're too steep and gnarly for most riders they don't have to hold up to nearly as much traffic. Tons of excellent examples of trails like this. Granted that it's harder to build like this because you have to use your brain a bit more than plowing straight down the fall line, but it's not impossible.
I guess it really matters where you're writing from and making this suggestion. I don't know where "DK" is, which is what your profile says. If you're talking about building secret skidder trails deep in the depths of crown land in central or eastern British Columbia nowhere near a metro area, sure.
But I see way too much of this style of hack it in/burn it out trail building in highly dense riding areas like Whistler, Squamish, Bellingham, Seattle, Portland, Santa Cruz, etc and it really bums me out. It's not a good look for mountain biking. North Vancouver and Le Pleney in France have been in the news recently for whole riding zones getting shut down because riders WOULD NOT STOP hacking in new steep skidder trails despite a huge density of them existing and despite repeated calls by land managers to stop cutting new steep skidder trails.
It should be noted that in BC, rake and rides are completely legal to create. It is legal to clear dead fall and ride your bike where you want. The trail application form actually lists the trail building methods that you do not need an application for. Basically shovels in dirt. So in the end, fall line skidders are the most legal unsanctioned building out there despite being the exact picture of terrible building that NIMBy’s imagine.
Also, there is virtually no liability for land managers in BC.
It should be noted that in BC, rake and rides are completely legal to create. It is legal to clear dead fall and ride your bike...
It should be noted that in BC, rake and rides are completely legal to create. It is legal to clear dead fall and ride your bike where you want. The trail application form actually lists the trail building methods that you do not need an application for. Basically shovels in dirt. So in the end, fall line skidders are the most legal unsanctioned building out there despite being the exact picture of terrible building that NIMBy’s imagine.
Also, there is virtually no liability for land managers in BC.
Wow, that is amazing, and sounds almost too good to be true, but sure would explain the plethora of trails in BC. What categories of land are we talking about here? Forest Service land, privately owned land, land approved for logging, land that is in some sort of park or preserve, etc...?
Wow, that is amazing, and sounds almost too good to be true, but sure would explain the plethora of trails in BC. What categories of land...
Wow, that is amazing, and sounds almost too good to be true, but sure would explain the plethora of trails in BC. What categories of land are we talking about here? Forest Service land, privately owned land, land approved for logging, land that is in some sort of park or preserve, etc...?
Crown Land, which is provincially managed public land and makes up 90% of the land in BC. This is the land that gets logged, mined, and recreated on. Logging on private land is much less common and tends to happen on Vancouver Island for some reason.
No, but I used to ride Patapsco 3-4 times a week when I lived in the city.
I’m part of GUMBO, which primarily does trail work in Little Gunpowder State Park. It doesn’t have the mileage of Patapsco but its has a good variety of trails, great core group that does a ton of maintenance and building, and it’s 2 miles from my house. If anyone ever finds themselves in my neck of the woods, reach out and I’ll give them a tour of the park.
https://www.littlegunpowder.com/
It should be noted that in BC, rake and rides are completely legal to create. It is legal to clear dead fall and ride your bike where you want. The trail application form actually lists the trail building methods that you do not need an application for. Basically shovels in dirt. So in the end, fall line skidders are the most legal unsanctioned building out there despite being the exact picture of terrible building that NIMBy’s imagine.
Also, there is virtually no liability for land managers in BC.
Wow, that is amazing, and sounds almost too good to be true, but sure would explain the plethora of trails in BC. What categories of land are we talking about here? Forest Service land, privately owned land, land approved for logging, land that is in some sort of park or preserve, etc...?
Crown Land, which is provincially managed public land and makes up 90% of the land in BC. This is the land that gets logged, mined, and recreated on. Logging on private land is much less common and tends to happen on Vancouver Island for some reason.
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