DIY Ghetto idler mounted to ISCG tabs?

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11/12/2021 9:20am
So totally simple, except for the gist of it. Tongue

Frame attachment is everything with a floating brake mount. In the rear you can cobble it together on the rear hub axle. Like Saracen did for their factory team. Link to PB: https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/17417495/

They did have the benefit of having all the measurements and making it for the factory team...

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11/14/2021 11:43pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
It sounds like you're asking lots of good questions and I love that you're not afraid of tinkering. I'm sure the sensation your friend is feeling...
It sounds like you're asking lots of good questions and I love that you're not afraid of tinkering. I'm sure the sensation your friend is feeling in his feet is real, but I'm also certain it isn't pedal kickback he's feeling on his Process X.

If I had to wager, I'd say the feeling in his feet is definitely caused by... something. His fork could be too soft and he's shifting weight onto his feet, it could be because his compression is too firm or too soft, his rear shock could be too stiff or too soft, it could be because his feet are tired, or his tires could be too low in pressure. It could be a lot of things. If it were me, I'd start with suspension setup and body position, and I'd recommend video taping your friend through that same section of trail to diagnose if something looks visibly out of whack. Video can be incredibly helpful for these things.

Also worth reiterating that idler pulleys are subjected to ENORMOUS amounts of torque from pedaling. Big Bird alluded to this when he mentioned finding an additional mounting point for the idler backplate, and Primoz alluded to this when he recommended making that plate THICC. All of your pedaling torque is transferred through an idler pulley, essentially pulling it down as you pedal. Chainguide pulleys and thin aluminum chainguide plates simply don't see this kind of torque because the chain is slack on the bottom side of the chainring and not under load when you're pedaling. The only time chainguide plates and ISCG tabs see that level of torque is when you hit a rock with the bashguard, and that often results in catastrophic failure for the part. It's not the sort of force you'd want to inflict on a part every time you pedal. So if you're going to give it a try, I agree with Primoz and Big Bird that you'll want to drastically overbuild it beyond what seems necessary if it's going to be functional.

I shared my extended thoughts on pedal kickback in this Vital article here, concluding that pedal kickback is definitely not a thing you need to worry about: https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/MTB-ADVICE-with-Team-Robot-ANSWERS-2,…


Quoted for truth, especially the top part. If you’re willing to go and tinker then go for it! If you give it a try at least you will have learned a lot more than what any of the forum commenters can provide 🙂

My only advice is keep an open mind, try a few different things and be willing to accept you might be wrong

Jeff.brines- phrases like “it’s in your head” are harmful and not useful at all. OP is very likely feeling something, it’s just we can’t say for certain what, or how to fix it.

Oh and by the way - The rise in TikTok users self diagnosing things like Tourette’s and ADHD has led to a ton of legit disagnoses too, or at least a better
Guidance or understanding of themselves. A lot of those diagnosis’s came about because they have always had a condition but been dismissed all their lives, or told it’s “all in your head”, especially if they are women.

Whether you’re talking bikes brains the key is to listen and acknowledge there is something that they need help with!
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