Pivot Phoenix sizing advice

Hello
I'm 182cm tall and ive get a large size. I don't think it's too long at all, the bike is so light and playful that it can even be more longer! I recommend you a medium sized minimum!
THIS bike is outstanding!

Boulax wrote:

Hello
I'm 182cm tall and ive get a large size. I don't think it's too long at all, the bike is so light and playful that it ...more

Boulax wrote:

Hello
I'm 182cm tall and ive get a large size. I don't think it's too long at all, the bike is so light and playful that it can even be more longer! I recommend you a medium sized minimum!
THIS bike is outstanding!

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So it's not hard for you to weight the front if needed with L-sized frame? And you feel reasonably centered in the bike both while sitting and standing i.e. you don't feel you need to be reaching really far forward? How about really tight corners, you don't feel slow and glumsy?

I am getting really mixed info on this....

I'm 5' 6" a went with the small. It was really fun and stable but I'd get a medium next time because I'd like a little more cockpit room. And if I were your height I'd definitely go medium. Like the other guy said, it's so light and playful the length doesn't matter so much. Best dh bike I've owned.

philip.vega.921 wrote:

I'm 5' 6" a went with the small. It was really fun and stable but I'd get a medium next time because I'd like a little more ...more

philip.vega.921 wrote:

I'm 5' 6" a went with the small. It was really fun and stable but I'd get a medium next time because I'd like a little more cockpit room. And if I were your height I'd definitely go medium. Like the other guy said, it's so light and playful the length doesn't matter so much. Best dh bike I've owned.

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Ah, thanks for that. It's really comforting to know im not totally off here with my idea of going M.

Here is how they are saying on their website in FAQ:
Small: 5'4.5" – 5’11”
Medium: 5'10” –6’
Large: 5'11” – 6’3”
X‐Large: 6'2” +


Is it just me or are the Pivot's recommended sizing a little weird because there is only basically 2" difference between highest and lowest heights recommended for size M (so the sizing is far from being linear), even though the bike geometry grows linearly (+2cm reach and top tube length for each size up)? Basically im thinking that in reality the recommended lowest height for size M should be a lot shorter than 5'10?

Steve Wentz and I, two testers here at Vital, prefer bikes with reach measurements right around 430mm when combined with a 50mm stem. Steve is 5'8" and I'm 5'10".

The medium Phoenix Carbon slots in at 428mm. Provided you don't have an overly short torso, Medium is the way to roll. Just put a 40mm stem on there if you need to reign it in a hair.

bturman wrote:

Steve Wentz and I, two testers here at Vital, prefer bikes with reach measurements right around 430mm when combined with a ...more

bturman wrote:

Steve Wentz and I, two testers here at Vital, prefer bikes with reach measurements right around 430mm when combined with a 50mm stem. Steve is 5'8" and I'm 5'10".

The medium Phoenix Carbon slots in at 428mm. Provided you don't have an overly short torso, Medium is the way to roll. Just put a 40mm stem on there if you need to reign it in a hair.

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You seem to be falling right in to my sizing! I am quite naturally balanced between legs / torso, but if anything, i actually have just a tiny bit more torso than legs, so in this case i am really falling for the M. Thanks for the great references!

philip.vega.921 wrote:

I'm 5' 6" a went with the small. It was really fun and stable but I'd get a medium next time because I'd like a little more ...more

philip.vega.921 wrote:

I'm 5' 6" a went with the small. It was really fun and stable but I'd get a medium next time because I'd like a little more cockpit room. And if I were your height I'd definitely go medium. Like the other guy said, it's so light and playful the length doesn't matter so much. Best dh bike I've owned.

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seccitaj wrote:

Ah, thanks for that. It's really comforting to know im not totally off here with my idea of going M.

Here is how they are ...more

seccitaj wrote:

Ah, thanks for that. It's really comforting to know im not totally off here with my idea of going M.

Here is how they are saying on their website in FAQ:
Small: 5'4.5" – 5’11”
Medium: 5'10” –6’
Large: 5'11” – 6’3”
X‐Large: 6'2” +


Is it just me or are the Pivot's recommended sizing a little weird because there is only basically 2" difference between highest and lowest heights recommended for size M (so the sizing is far from being linear), even though the bike geometry grows linearly (+2cm reach and top tube length for each size up)? Basically im thinking that in reality the recommended lowest height for size M should be a lot shorter than 5'10?

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Yeah, I feel bad for the guy who is 5'11" that took their advice and bought the small Phoenix.

My major hang-up with Pivot has always been that their recommended sizing is so much different than most other manufactures. It causes a lot of confusion when comparing bikes. I've taken their sizing advice against my own judgement twice and failed both times. The size small LES 27.5 and the Mach 4C were both too small for my liking (very unstable at speed), while their medium bikes fit me better and offered much improved stability. However the small Phoenix and the small Firebird (both of the newest models) fit me very well. That said, I can still comfortably fit the medium sizes if I preferred, and would definitely get the medium Phoenix next time around.

I feel like it's okay for them to say a person who is 5'6" can fit a small (because they obviously can), but think they should add that the same height person could also fit a medium, because I comfortably do fit that size and often prefer them. That's a long winded response, but hopefully it's helpful to some.

I'm 5'7 and could get a good deal on a small frame I'm riding a medium banshee darkside with 410 reach so the 400 on the phoenix might not be that bad especially with more wheelbase and mor top tube lenght. What you think?