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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 3:37pm
Suspended a little, but not cantilevered. Cantilevers overhang their last connection point without attachment to another. EDIT: not to be confused with a suspended pivot bridge 2nd EDIT: Take the bearing out of the design and crank on both sides. 4 to five inches of aluminum is very strong at that diameter. Put the bearings back in and its totally stable.
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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 2:20pm
If it were a floating or cantilevered pivot that be true. On the non-drive side the bearing is at a junction, the drive side support is offset a mere 3 inches. There's no way a Horst is stiffer unless Breezer used memory foam instead of bearings to pack the pivot.
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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 2:04pm
12mm has helped as much as it helps every other design. The chainstay pivot point is a relic and still prone to flex. I'm glad you agreed with me that the dual short link is stiffer. My point was that it's a great solution, but created a bearing stress issue universal to all iterations of that concept. You might be right about the direct link of the shock to the swingarm, but there would have to be considerable lateral deflection to have any consequence. But with this design, the fulcrum for this deflection would exert a small force over a...
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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 1:28pm
Yes, and Horst isn't know for being stiff. This bike attempts to remedy that by getting away from the link near the junction of the chainstay and the seatstay (well known flex issue). Also the direct mount of the shock to the swing arm and the seatstay stiffeners will help stiffen the rear. The dual short link design fixed this issue, but caused another (extreme bearing stress). The longer links and low rotation should solve that issue.
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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 1:07pm
Enduro has the chainstay pivot back further, link mount up 2-3 inches on seat tube and no seatstay stiffeners. Granted, they may look similar, but should perform differently. All my FSR type bikes have had the chainstay bearings fail first, shortly followed by the BB pivot bearing. I once even broken an FSR link in half and had to whittle a small chunk of wood to lock the suspension out and get me down the last 7 miles of a 20 mile DH.
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Gunterthepenguin Added a comment about photo 2014 Breezer Repack

9/3/2013 11:22am
Smart design solution. Anyone who assumes this would be flexy has no engineering knowledge. The reinforcement of the chainstay/seatstay (ie what looks like a mini seatstay) should make this a very stiff rear triangle. There's been some speculation about the placement of the pivot along the chainstay regarding chainslap and durability. I think that is easily mitigated with a small top mounted chainslap protector. Pivots located anywhere along the chainstay will always be subject to a lot of grime, so I don't think that factor worsens in this design from any other. I can't wait to give it a test...
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