Riding with mates in France is not Guiding?

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Am I right in thinking even if you know certain MTB trails in the French Alps, and you ride them with Friends, even though you explicitly mention that you are not responsible or in any way Guiding them but riding with them, is that still deemed as Guiding if you know the trails?
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Topperharley 5/16/2017 5:10am
5/16/2017 5:10am
bickars wrote:
Am I right in thinking even if you know certain MTB trails in the French Alps, and you ride them with Friends, even though you explicitly...
Am I right in thinking even if you know certain MTB trails in the French Alps, and you ride them with Friends, even though you explicitly mention that you are not responsible or in any way Guiding them but riding with them, is that still deemed as Guiding if you know the trails?
No, it's not guiding as long as money isn't changing hands.

The French laws that apply to this are the same as skiing. Which were brought in when esf instructors got upset that chalet companies and other ski instructors bent the rules too far and offered guides and instruction without the relevant qualifications.

The French went full protectionist and now you must pass a course and/or test depending on your background, in France, in French, to be able to legally guide on snow or dirt.

But showing your mates around is fine. If you are showing your mates, who happen to change every week, around everyday of a season, expect to get asked afew questions!
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bickars 5/17/2017 7:32am
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Topperharley wrote:
No, it's not guiding as long as money isn't changing hands. The French laws that apply to this are the same as skiing. Which were brought...
No, it's not guiding as long as money isn't changing hands.

The French laws that apply to this are the same as skiing. Which were brought in when esf instructors got upset that chalet companies and other ski instructors bent the rules too far and offered guides and instruction without the relevant qualifications.

The French went full protectionist and now you must pass a course and/or test depending on your background, in France, in French, to be able to legally guide on snow or dirt.

But showing your mates around is fine. If you are showing your mates, who happen to change every week, around everyday of a season, expect to get asked afew questions!
yeah exactly!

it is shame though that a European equivalent Guiding qualification is not valid when in France, as you say same with Skiing. But did you about that Ski instructor who won his court case recently who can Instruct wherever he wants with his British qualification!
Topperharley 5/17/2017 8:04am
5/17/2017 8:04am
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yeah exactly! it is shame though that a European equivalent Guiding qualification is not valid when in France, as you say same with Skiing. But did...
yeah exactly!

it is shame though that a European equivalent Guiding qualification is not valid when in France, as you say same with Skiing. But did you about that Ski instructor who won his court case recently who can Instruct wherever he wants with his British qualification!
You can get the French permits without doing the french courses, if you can prove you have the relevant Euro qualifications, you just have to take the French exam, either skiing or biking.

It sounds harsh, but unfortunately too many people flaunted with the law and people got hurt. It comes across as protectionist and a portion of it is, but foreign businesses took the piss, and the French got upset, this was their reaction. they tolerated it for quite a while.


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bickars 5/20/2017 8:43am
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Topperharley wrote:
You can get the French permits without doing the french courses, if you can prove you have the relevant Euro qualifications, you just have to take...
You can get the French permits without doing the french courses, if you can prove you have the relevant Euro qualifications, you just have to take the French exam, either skiing or biking.

It sounds harsh, but unfortunately too many people flaunted with the law and people got hurt. It comes across as protectionist and a portion of it is, but foreign businesses took the piss, and the French got upset, this was their reaction. they tolerated it for quite a while.


Yeah totally!

so my colleague who runs his own coaching business in the UK, would have to apply for permits, if her decides he is going to guide them in the French Alps?
Topperharley 5/20/2017 11:41pm
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Topperharley wrote:
You can get the French permits without doing the french courses, if you can prove you have the relevant Euro qualifications, you just have to take...
You can get the French permits without doing the french courses, if you can prove you have the relevant Euro qualifications, you just have to take the French exam, either skiing or biking.

It sounds harsh, but unfortunately too many people flaunted with the law and people got hurt. It comes across as protectionist and a portion of it is, but foreign businesses took the piss, and the French got upset, this was their reaction. they tolerated it for quite a while.


bickars wrote:
Yeah totally! so my colleague who runs his own coaching business in the UK, would have to apply for permits, if her decides he is going...
Yeah totally!

so my colleague who runs his own coaching business in the UK, would have to apply for permits, if her decides he is going to guide them in the French Alps?
http://www.ridethealps.com/blog/how-to-become-a-mountain-bike-guide/

Sum it up rather than writing it all out here.
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bickars 5/21/2017 8:15am
5/21/2017 8:15am
Thanks topperharley excellent intel there,
I know the IMBL is satisfactory for some parts in Europe but not all

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