Jack Moir is NOT 6'4". Has anyone here met him in person? He is closer to 6'1" or maybe 6'2" at the very most (Neko is 6ft for reference in the linked photo). He's just a lanky bloke of a ripper. He's within the recommended size range for a Large frame. He definitely runs a unique setup but not crazy for his size and his DH background. Much respect to him, he's one of the most enjoyable dudes to watch ride and race. His style kind of reminds me of the Ratboy of old, who is coincidently the same height and rides a size Large frame.
Ive met Minaar, Peaty, Charlie Harrison, several others as well as Moir. Not a big deal but Jack is def not 6'4". Someone's yankin ya chain. Minaar is right about 6'4", but no one else, unless you get to Cathro heights.
He's listed at 186cm here, unless Jack had a growth spurt in the last couple years?
I hope many see this. I see SO many people running bars too wide on their bikes. Probably the most common bike fitment mistake I see, maybe second only to brake levers to close to grips by beginners.
Indeed. Cool that he's running a large, too. 470mm reach vs. 500 on the XL. It's a super interesting bike check all around. Jack and I are a similar height and weight, and we're both running 180mm Zeb's with 70 psi. The only difference is he's running 3 tokens and I'm running zero. Damn.
This was my first thought, 6ft4 and a Large?? For a racer? In what universe?
I get the easier around the turns part (and it is logical), but still... Seems weird.
As for bar width, many racers run 760 mm bars for enduro. Mostly because of the trees, to get more clearance. One benefit of a wider bar is also that it pulls you forward a bit more, which might be beneficial for the people that tend to scoot back a bit too much, which is a big negative on modern, long bikes.
Bar height is one of the more ambiguous bike set up for me, it's never really discussed much. Curious what he means by putting spacers below the stem helps him not fight getting over the back of the bike, i thought modern geo helps to get more front center position when in attack.
I was referencing width. That said, ideally you ride your bike on your feet, not your hands, so raising and lowering bars changes your base bias mildly and just allows you to set up to lean forward or rearward easier depending in your riding style. He mentions he wants to be able to shift rearward easier and taller bars allow that. This all based off throne (neutral) position. Attack is a moment in time , a position you work in and out of for features, not a base riding position.
Modern geo does help your position for descending but his short bike per his height isn't exactly "modern" geo.
raising and lowering your stem can have a fairly profound effect on reach numbers though. Its been a while since i did the calculation, but with a 65 HA your reach changes +/- 3-4mm per 10mm spacer, which can have a pretty big effect on weight center and ability to load your front wheel. A lot of people don't realize this either.
think you could argue either way... sending out a new rider expecting them to have mastered a 1 finger brake set up seems impractical.
And I'd say for most 6'4" people that these bars might be a bit narrow for Enduro. BUT it's personal taste. For instance, I can't stand level bars. New bikes and every time I get a rental I have to roll the bars forward and redo the controls. I guess the bar thing is a holdover from BMX? And "maybe" I would be better served by more level bars, might end up being a better rider? BUT can't stand it so I do what I do.
Ideally it's just something that people/shops keep some aluminum take offs around at different widths to test out when setting up a new bike. (gotta remember most of us changed to wide bars when we changed to shorter stems on shorter frames and just kept that width as bikes got longer. But for sure it's something to consider with modern geo!!)
In this case the rider is both on a shorter bike and narrower bars, so it seems like a bit of an outlier. OR a common set up in the 90's.
One the nice perks of the Ibis bars with threaded inserts. Less time spent swapping and experimenting when setting up customers. It’s generally pretty obvious when a person will need narrower than 750 (ie small person). Otherwise people can cut the alloy inserts and play with various widths until they’re happy, and not stress about cutting a bar too narrow. Got a bin full of the inserts, so it’s never a concern to swap some out to help customers.
grizzatom
2/1/2021 1:32 PM
Jack Moir is NOT 6'4". Has anyone here met him in person? He is closer to 6'1" or maybe 6'2" at the very most (Neko is 6ft for reference in the linked photo). He's just a lanky bloke of a ripper. He's within the recommended size range for a Large frame. He definitely runs a unique setup but not crazy for his size and his DH background. Much respect to him, he's one of the most enjoyable dudes to watch ride and race. His style kind of reminds me of the Ratboy of old, who is coincidently the same height and rides a size Large frame.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/gwin-mulally-and-moir-on-intense-factory-racing-for-2019.html
BHowell
2/1/2021 2:12 PM
grizzatom
2/1/2021 8:49 PM
Ive met Minaar, Peaty, Charlie Harrison, several others as well as Moir. Not a big deal but Jack is def not 6'4". Someone's yankin ya chain. Minaar is right about 6'4", but no one else, unless you get to Cathro heights.
He's listed at 186cm here, unless Jack had a growth spurt in the last couple years?
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/winning-bike-from-rotorua-intense-factory-racing-bike-checks.html
jbv
1/30/2021 10:08 PM
Hollywood Gainey
1/29/2021 4:40 PM
TEAMROBOT
1/29/2021 5:39 PM
Mag41
1/30/2021 1:11 AM
Allen_Gleckner
1/30/2021 4:51 AM
Primoz
1/31/2021 1:13 AM
This was my first thought, 6ft4 and a Large?? For a racer? In what universe?
I get the easier around the turns part (and it is logical), but still... Seems weird.
As for bar width, many racers run 760 mm bars for enduro. Mostly because of the trees, to get more clearance. One benefit of a wider bar is also that it pulls you forward a bit more, which might be beneficial for the people that tend to scoot back a bit too much, which is a big negative on modern, long bikes.
zuman
1/29/2021 8:59 PM
Hollywood Gainey
1/30/2021 2:35 PM
I was referencing width. That said, ideally you ride your bike on your feet, not your hands, so raising and lowering bars changes your base bias mildly and just allows you to set up to lean forward or rearward easier depending in your riding style. He mentions he wants to be able to shift rearward easier and taller bars allow that. This all based off throne (neutral) position. Attack is a moment in time , a position you work in and out of for features, not a base riding position.
Modern geo does help your position for descending but his short bike per his height isn't exactly "modern" geo.
loganskis
2/2/2021 7:25 AM
stiingya
1/30/2021 2:46 PM
think you could argue either way... sending out a new rider expecting them to have mastered a 1 finger brake set up seems impractical.

And I'd say for most 6'4" people that these bars might be a bit narrow for Enduro. BUT it's personal taste. For instance, I can't stand level bars. New bikes and every time I get a rental I have to roll the bars forward and redo the controls. I guess the bar thing is a holdover from BMX? And "maybe" I would be better served by more level bars, might end up being a better rider? BUT can't stand it so I do what I do.
Ideally it's just something that people/shops keep some aluminum take offs around at different widths to test out when setting up a new bike. (gotta remember most of us changed to wide bars when we changed to shorter stems on shorter frames and just kept that width as bikes got longer. But for sure it's something to consider with modern geo!!)
In this case the rider is both on a shorter bike and narrower bars, so it seems like a bit of an outlier. OR a common set up in the 90's.
Roots_rider
1/31/2021 10:03 AM
anotherbikerguy
1/29/2021 4:25 PM
stiingya
1/30/2021 2:47 PM
bulletbass man
1/30/2021 9:03 PM