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Thibaut Ruffin asked us to come check out some new tech on the Commencal DH bikes. We're not entirely clear on how it's supposed to work, but it's a circuit of some kind (not a counterweight) that takes information from the surface it's mounted to and reduces vibrations. Commencal is running about 25 of them on each bike, starting at the tires, hubs, brake calipers, shock spring, fork legs, crown, and the internal damper. According to the team, and a few other WC riders who tested the system, the difference is immediately and profoundly noticeable. They don't come cheap though, at about $1000 per bike or in the $300 range for just a suspension. You decide. www.axxios-tech.com

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High-tech Anti-Vibration System on Commencal DH Bikes

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  • SJP

    7/11/2016 9:46 AM

    Losers. The "synthetic image" is nothing of the sort. It was created by Don Eigler's group at IBM in 1993 [M. F. Crommie, C. P. Lutz, D. M. Eigler, Science Vol 262, p 218, 1993], and has absolutely nothing to do with impact on a liquid . It is a scanning tunneling microscope image of iron atoms arranged in a ring on a copper surface, and shows the resultant effect on the confinement of the conduction electrons at the copper surface. Paper available here:
    http://users.phys.psu.edu/~rick/MATH/LECTURES/LECT13/PDF/eigler_circular_corral.pdf

    See here for other images of quantum corrals:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=quantum+corral&espv=2&biw=2329&bih=1345&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYnNyW7OvNAhVDMyYKHcXvA8AQsAQIIw&dpr=1

    Total BS, sold by liars who know they are lying.

  • mamath7

    7/11/2016 1:56 PM

    That's an infinite piece of quantum shit. And seeing it on a WC bike is a shame.
    You said it like I would:sold by liars who know they are lying

  • WaffleStomp

    7/11/2016 8:29 AM

    Okay, voodoo BS as written, but I'm kinda wondering if this is just a huge smoke screen to conceal Commencal's data acquisition program. Those "circuits" look an awful lot like wireless strain gauges or accelerometers. And their placement is not where you'd put them to reduce vibration, but is where you'd put them if you wanted to get data.

  • Primoz

    7/18/2016 12:42 PM

    Pleasse tell me, how do wireless strain gauges and accelerometers work?

  • SJP

    7/18/2016 6:31 PM

    There are various technologies. Most strain gauges are either piezoelectric elements or thin patterned metal lines. The piezoelectric elements work by generating a voltage in response to change. The thin metal lines' resistance changes. For a wireless gauge, there will be a battery, a transduction circuit to read out the signal, and a communications circuit.

    Accelerometers are typically MEMS devices - microelectromechanical systems. They are micro-fabricated from silicon using semiconductor processing techniques. Basically, they are a mass on a spring, with the mass position transduced capacitively.

  • Primoz

    7/19/2016 9:56 AM

    Haven't seen piezoelectric strain gauges, they would be quite useless anyways (useable only for very dynamic measurements for example), but i must admit i'm not in these waters very much.

    On the other hand, fitting the element, weither it being a 'coil'/wire or a piezoelectric element, a battery, a powering source (for the wire type), an amplifier (for the piezoelectric element), a DAC AND wireless communication, with it all being flexible and robust enough (let alone ensuring that the element will have a good enough joint with the base, where the strain is being measured and all) to be fitted into a sticker and randomly stuck to different parts of a bike, that i find impossible.

    I am all for being proven wrong though, i just doubt it's possible.

    MEMS devices are just chips, but still, that chip, batter, power and wireless communication components don't fit into a sticker in my opinion. Another problem with accelerometers being stuck on like this is damping of vibrations between the base and the source.

    EDIT: notice, that in my first reply i said _wireless_ strain gauges and accelerometers. I know perfectly well how piezoelectric elements and resistive strain gauges work from college. It's just the wireless part that has me stumped (let alone the 'wireless-fits-in-a-sticker' part).

  • the_owl

    7/10/2016 3:23 PM

    clearly the person who wrote that flyer doesnt speak engrish native. breaking incrase?

  • jefedelosjefes

    7/10/2016 12:34 PM

    Unfortunately for science, the placebo effect is real. Convince some dumb@ss that it will make a difference and it actually can. More a mental effect than anything.

  • AnotherRider

    7/10/2016 2:52 AM

    Soon they will use perpetual motion and ride faster !

  • Bigburd

    7/10/2016 1:23 AM

    I hear the Emperor has some new clothes too....

  • stiingya

    7/9/2016 11:32 PM

    Sadly this makes me think of those bomb detectors that British dude sold the Iraqi's after the invasion that just got done helping to kill 150 people... FAKE!

    Course the reality is that most often when you put a new part on your bike it seems to ride better... Placebo!

  • lister_yu

    7/9/2016 11:29 PM

    had a look at the homepage and I guess I have to feel guilty for not speaking french ;-)

  • djzatorze

    7/9/2016 10:48 PM

    looks like normal anti-vibration tape... useful for stabilisation of some fragile optics, but on a bike?! where almost everything rattles?! also, it should be mounted BETWEEN hanlebar and stem, BETWEEN brake caliper and the frame... now it's 100% voodoo

  • Big Bird

    7/9/2016 7:34 PM

    Three months and eight days late guys.

  • blast_off

    7/9/2016 6:22 PM

    bs voodoo stuff aside, check out some of the vibration damping stuff that is out already. 3M has a boatload of tapes and various other stuff for damping various substrates. Hard to say if this would be noticeable on a bike, but there is a lot of stuff a WC rider would detect that I certainly could never.

    http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Vibration-Damping-Tape-434?N=5472880+3293242555&rt=rud

    and here...

    http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Support/Technical-News-Articles/?PC_Z7_U00M8B1A00NI60IDFIPS8T3HR2000000_assetId=1273695394295

  • jeff.brines

    7/9/2016 6:13 PM

    Is it akin to the piezoelectric units K2 (skis) used back in the 90s to dampen vibrations? (turned vibration into electrical energy - a little light would light up on your ski tips as you tried to make 11s down the mountain)

  • Erwan_Ghesquiere

    7/10/2016 12:29 AM

    You mean "Head" with their Intelligent technology. K2 neve had such thing, at the best they did decent rocker on their all mountain skis. On the other hand all FIS skis are plain wood/ti/carbon amd all those techs are usually kept on the topsheet for marketing purposes.

  • innonyme

    7/10/2016 7:07 AM

    You are wrong. K2 had a light. Google and learn.

  • toast2266

    7/10/2016 8:49 AM

    That was my thought. K2 also used some piezoelectric stuff in suspension they were building in the early 2000's. Like the skis, my general recollection is that it made no noticeable difference.

  • jimmypop

    7/9/2016 5:59 PM

    This is BS of the highest order. Isn't a more critical and skeptical look deserved? That literature is complete woo.

  • Dave_Camp

    7/9/2016 5:44 PM

    What if you bought thousands and filled the tires with them?

  • mbl77

    7/9/2016 4:20 PM

    Powerbands for bikes! Looks like complete BS.

  • m00x

    7/9/2016 5:01 PM

    Total BS, any results they claim are just from a dampening effect. They offer no explanation to how it works either beside throwing out big words like quantum electrodynamics and atomic disorder.

  • OCsponger587

    7/9/2016 5:08 PM

    oh so you have to wet them down first?

  • tantrumcycles

    7/11/2016 7:34 PM

    good one

  • Dr. Sylesej

    7/10/2016 3:19 AM

    Do you claim to understand quantum electrodynamics?! This works with proprietary technology to reduce the stress in the air! Due to odd effects concerning the atmospheric entropy when the atomic disorder is lowered rain will stay away and you can shred in the dry. This is how Danny won in Champery

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