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airwreck
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Fred_Pop wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres: My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which...

Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres:

My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which was DH tyres and tubes.

I'm able to run lower pressures for maximum grip without flatting or destroying rims. I used to replace rear rims once a year. For the bikepark I just increase tyre pressure by 3psi front and back. 

So typical setup is 2.5/2.6 in tyre with 12-14psi (15-17psi for bikepark) in the front and 15-17psi (18-20psi for bikepark) in the back. I weigh 60kg ~132lb

My favourite all conditions tyre is the Schwalbe Eddy Current front which is like a Magic Mary on steroids. Don't recommend it as a rear as it's very slow rolling.

Best cornering tyre is the Maxxis Assegai in dry conditions. I remove the small middle knobs to make it more of an all conditions tyre as it helps clear wet dirt better. 

Best soft conditions tyre is the now extinct WTB Verdict Wet though I recently got the Onza Porcupine RC 2.5 and it's not bad. Might try my previous fav the Schwalbe Dirty Dan again to do a back to back test.

Favorite fast rolling rear tyre I discovered last year Schwalbe Johnny Watts

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Johnny-Watts-11159431

I don't tend to buy the softest or the stickiest tyres as with my super lower tyre pressures I have enough mechanic grip from casing deformation to allow me to ride off camber roots with ease.

Now I have found that MTB tyres tend to be very square even when you run them on narrower rims. The exceptions I've found are:

-Kenda Hellkat 2.6

-Onza Porcupine RC 2.5

-Assegai 2.5

I would like to see a MTB version of this Schwalbe BMX tyre with bigger knobs:

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Little-Joe-11600846.02

 

PS: I mtb only I don't ebike even if I do run ebike tyres on occasion ;P

 

Have you looked at the Tannus inserts? They are designed to work with a tube.

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Fred_Pop
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Fred_Pop wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres: My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which...

Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres:

My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which was DH tyres and tubes.

I'm able to run lower pressures for maximum grip without flatting or destroying rims. I used to replace rear rims once a year. For the bikepark I just increase tyre pressure by 3psi front and back. 

So typical setup is 2.5/2.6 in tyre with 12-14psi (15-17psi for bikepark) in the front and 15-17psi (18-20psi for bikepark) in the back. I weigh 60kg ~132lb

My favourite all conditions tyre is the Schwalbe Eddy Current front which is like a Magic Mary on steroids. Don't recommend it as a rear as it's very slow rolling.

Best cornering tyre is the Maxxis Assegai in dry conditions. I remove the small middle knobs to make it more of an all conditions tyre as it helps clear wet dirt better. 

Best soft conditions tyre is the now extinct WTB Verdict Wet though I recently got the Onza Porcupine RC 2.5 and it's not bad. Might try my previous fav the Schwalbe Dirty Dan again to do a back to back test.

Favorite fast rolling rear tyre I discovered last year Schwalbe Johnny Watts

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Johnny-Watts-11159431

I don't tend to buy the softest or the stickiest tyres as with my super lower tyre pressures I have enough mechanic grip from casing deformation to allow me to ride off camber roots with ease.

Now I have found that MTB tyres tend to be very square even when you run them on narrower rims. The exceptions I've found are:

-Kenda Hellkat 2.6

-Onza Porcupine RC 2.5

-Assegai 2.5

I would like to see a MTB version of this Schwalbe BMX tyre with bigger knobs:

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Little-Joe-11600846.02

 

PS: I mtb only I don't ebike even if I do run ebike tyres on occasion ;P

 

airwreck wrote:

Have you looked at the Tannus inserts? They are designed to work with a tube.

I have but I want the insert near the rim to protect the rim and tannus is the other way around.

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6/10/2024 11:55am

Has anyone ridden the new Michelin DH16?

Sounds like the updated casing is a bit lighter on the new DH tires.

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Btw, there is now a 27.5x2.4 dhr2 maxx terra dh casing sku now.  My lbs was able to order it up for me so that's what will be on my bike park wheelset, paired with a DD MG assegai in front.  Going to run vittoria enduro tire inserts with em on reserve AL HD wheels.  

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airwreck
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6/13/2024 9:26pm
ebruner wrote:
Btw, there is now a 27.5x2.4 dhr2 maxx terra dh casing sku now.  My lbs was able to order it up for me so that's what...

Btw, there is now a 27.5x2.4 dhr2 maxx terra dh casing sku now.  My lbs was able to order it up for me so that's what will be on my bike park wheelset, paired with a DD MG assegai in front.  Going to run vittoria enduro tire inserts with em on reserve AL HD wheels.  

It was odd how the maxxterra dh tire disappeared for awhile but there was loads of maxxgrip.

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6/14/2024 2:49pm

I got one of these (Dissector) when they first came out, 2021? And I thought the grip for a rear tire was fine. Then someone pointed out to me how fast they wear out (half my lugs were gone 2/3 of the way into the season). Also, I assumed it rolled fast, but then after a ride the same rider pointed out that, as we were coasting down some asphalt at around 20 mph, that he was rolling the same speed as me. Both of us were seated, coasting, he was taller but the same weight. We were both on ~160mm 29er enduro bikes. He was running Assegai exo+ front and rear. 

I'm looking for the perfect tire combo for my 130mm trail bike (29er), and these came up again. Any input on them for front and rear? Do they really not roll any faster than Maxxis' draggiest tire? Could it have been a compound thing? And the side lugs ripping off- could that have been an early batch issue? The side lug shape and construction don't look different from other Maxxis tires. 


https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Dissector-29-Trail-OEM-Tire-No-Packagi…

 

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ebruner
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6/17/2024 2:22pm

The dissector is a great rear tire for about 6 rides on anything loose over hard or desert-ish.  The side knobs get rounded/underminded and the cornering lugs get ripped off pretty quick.  I have run one as a front tire paired with a forekaster rear and it did well in that scenario.  

I personally think an aggressor or dc dhr2 is a better rear tire.  The dual casing dhr2 rolls quite a bit faster then the maxx terra version as a rear tire and doesn't give up all that much grip.  Overall, I think I prefer a mid life worn dhr2 as a rear tire over the dissector.  

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6/18/2024 8:37am
ebruner wrote:
The dissector is a great rear tire for about 6 rides on anything loose over hard or desert-ish.  The side knobs get rounded/underminded and the cornering...

The dissector is a great rear tire for about 6 rides on anything loose over hard or desert-ish.  The side knobs get rounded/underminded and the cornering lugs get ripped off pretty quick.  I have run one as a front tire paired with a forekaster rear and it did well in that scenario.  

I personally think an aggressor or dc dhr2 is a better rear tire.  The dual casing dhr2 rolls quite a bit faster then the maxx terra version as a rear tire and doesn't give up all that much grip.  Overall, I think I prefer a mid life worn dhr2 as a rear tire over the dissector.  

I do enjoy the Agressor as a rear tire, but what about front then? 

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6/18/2024 9:14am

I do enjoy the Agressor as a rear tire, but what about front then? 

I quite like the Aggressor rear and DHF 3CT up front when I'm going for a fast rolling combo that can still go DH fast on my 125/140 Optic. I'm one of those people who likes the leaned-over grip of the DHF, YMMV. This is one of my favorite summer/dry setups, but I do tend to run a Tannus insert rear when running EXO+. 

Do to the slow, off-camber slabs I tend to ride, I prefer the DHF over the DHR up front. The DHR likes to slide sideways when going straight and braking hard on these slabs. Other than this one flaw the DHR is great up front and is great at speed.

Schwalbe Nobby Nic Soft SuperTrail (mouthful!) out back, with the Tacky Chan SuperTrail up front is an even better combo. I can get away with no insert unless riding somewhere rocky, the casings are slightly more supportive than EXO+. I really like the Schwalbe Super Trail casings. The rear 'Soft' compound is a fair bit grippier on wet roots/rocks than the hard Maxxis DC.

I'm not sure which one rolls faster, haven't run them back-back. I'd guess the hard rubber of the Aggressor is the faster rolling, it always feels speedy on the pedals.

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6/18/2024 2:45pm
ebruner wrote:
The dissector is a great rear tire for about 6 rides on anything loose over hard or desert-ish.  The side knobs get rounded/underminded and the cornering...

The dissector is a great rear tire for about 6 rides on anything loose over hard or desert-ish.  The side knobs get rounded/underminded and the cornering lugs get ripped off pretty quick.  I have run one as a front tire paired with a forekaster rear and it did well in that scenario.  

I personally think an aggressor or dc dhr2 is a better rear tire.  The dual casing dhr2 rolls quite a bit faster then the maxx terra version as a rear tire and doesn't give up all that much grip.  Overall, I think I prefer a mid life worn dhr2 as a rear tire over the dissector.  

I do enjoy the Agressor as a rear tire, but what about front then? 

Run this on my hardtail which does a lot of road/pavement miles, it's way better than what you would think offroad and rolls fast AF! It packs up very easy when conditions are wet though.

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6/22/2024 2:48pm

Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially thought butcher front and eliminator rear was the way to go, but then i did some snooping on loic, finn and Charlie Murray’s instagrams and found that they are all running Cannibals front and rear.
Thoughts? 

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6/22/2024 9:58pm
Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially...

Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially thought butcher front and eliminator rear was the way to go, but then i did some snooping on loic, finn and Charlie Murray’s instagrams and found that they are all running Cannibals front and rear.
Thoughts? 

Cannibals are great, little more demanding tire from the rider, Butcher front and rear is a great pairing too, easier to ride than Cannibal.

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6/23/2024 1:40am
Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially...

Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially thought butcher front and eliminator rear was the way to go, but then i did some snooping on loic, finn and Charlie Murray’s instagrams and found that they are all running Cannibals front and rear.
Thoughts? 

Cannibals are great, little more demanding tire from the rider, Butcher front and rear is a great pairing too, easier to ride than Cannibal.

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow rolling ?

6/23/2024 3:20am
Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially...

Hey chasing some feedback on the specialized gravity tires.  Im looking at getting both a front and rear for my long travel enduro bike and initially thought butcher front and eliminator rear was the way to go, but then i did some snooping on loic, finn and Charlie Murray’s instagrams and found that they are all running Cannibals front and rear.
Thoughts? 

Cannibals are great, little more demanding tire from the rider, Butcher front and rear is a great pairing too, easier to ride than Cannibal.

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow...

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow rolling ?

Its a tire that rewards you when you ride it fast, agressive and really lean the bike into corners, after all its really made with racing in mind. As in Butcher is better all around, more predictable and feels better in slower speeds too. Thats why Butcher+Butcher or and Butcher+Eliminator combos are great for regular riders and even good for racing.

Ive come to really like my Wild Enduro MS + Wild Enduro Rear (2024 models), just swapping rear for another MS tire when im racing in looser conditions.

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6/23/2024 3:35am

Cannibals are great, little more demanding tire from the rider, Butcher front and rear is a great pairing too, easier to ride than Cannibal.

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow...

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow rolling ?

Its a tire that rewards you when you ride it fast, agressive and really lean the bike into corners, after all its really made with racing...

Its a tire that rewards you when you ride it fast, agressive and really lean the bike into corners, after all its really made with racing in mind. As in Butcher is better all around, more predictable and feels better in slower speeds too. Thats why Butcher+Butcher or and Butcher+Eliminator combos are great for regular riders and even good for racing.

Ive come to really like my Wild Enduro MS + Wild Enduro Rear (2024 models), just swapping rear for another MS tire when im racing in looser conditions.

Awesome, thanks for the feedback - would you consider all 3 to be good mixed condition tyres ? 

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6/23/2024 3:40am
Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow...

Thank you, but what do you mean by demanding exactly? I’d almost consider a demanding tyre to have an excessive amount of grip and be slow rolling ?

Its a tire that rewards you when you ride it fast, agressive and really lean the bike into corners, after all its really made with racing...

Its a tire that rewards you when you ride it fast, agressive and really lean the bike into corners, after all its really made with racing in mind. As in Butcher is better all around, more predictable and feels better in slower speeds too. Thats why Butcher+Butcher or and Butcher+Eliminator combos are great for regular riders and even good for racing.

Ive come to really like my Wild Enduro MS + Wild Enduro Rear (2024 models), just swapping rear for another MS tire when im racing in looser conditions.

Awesome, thanks for the feedback - would you consider all 3 to be good mixed condition tyres ? 

Yes, naturally with eliminator being the least consistent of them, but as a rear tyre it doesnt matter that much, but I wouldn't ride it in the most muddy conditions..

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Primoz
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6/24/2024 12:20am

Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in it is beyond anything I've experienced. And I've ran it with a Cushcore XC and at 1,5 bar, the same as I've done before (okay, I used to run Nukeproof ARD, but it can't be the main factor?).

First issue was in the first week in La Thuile, where a small bump on a root caused a double snake bite (through and through). I soon started my Michelin experiment but recently put it back on the bike. On the like second ride a small bonk (didn't even hear the rim, it was that light) I got another through and through snake bite. Plugged that and rode for a few more rides, then today, pumping up the tyre everything was okay only for it to become soft on the uphill. I noticed a sealant puddle coming from the edge of the rim. When that hole formed I have no idea, but I plugged it, pumped it up and away I went. Then starting to descend basically at the top of the run, exiting a rock garden there was maybe a slight thump and the all familiar hiss of the tyre losing air at a rapid pace.

I put three more plugs into the tyre (one at the bead, two in the tread), pumped it up and continued, only for the two in the tread to fall out. From that point on I was over it and rode the rest of the run and back home on the insert... And it's off to the fuck it bucket with it now (running it on the insert did cause a lot more holes to appear behind the edge of the rim and trying to pump it up again mid ride it did not hold air at all).

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6/24/2024 3:16am
Primoz wrote:
Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in...

Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in it is beyond anything I've experienced. And I've ran it with a Cushcore XC and at 1,5 bar, the same as I've done before (okay, I used to run Nukeproof ARD, but it can't be the main factor?).

First issue was in the first week in La Thuile, where a small bump on a root caused a double snake bite (through and through). I soon started my Michelin experiment but recently put it back on the bike. On the like second ride a small bonk (didn't even hear the rim, it was that light) I got another through and through snake bite. Plugged that and rode for a few more rides, then today, pumping up the tyre everything was okay only for it to become soft on the uphill. I noticed a sealant puddle coming from the edge of the rim. When that hole formed I have no idea, but I plugged it, pumped it up and away I went. Then starting to descend basically at the top of the run, exiting a rock garden there was maybe a slight thump and the all familiar hiss of the tyre losing air at a rapid pace.

I put three more plugs into the tyre (one at the bead, two in the tread), pumped it up and continued, only for the two in the tread to fall out. From that point on I was over it and rode the rest of the run and back home on the insert... And it's off to the fuck it bucket with it now (running it on the insert did cause a lot more holes to appear behind the edge of the rim and trying to pump it up again mid ride it did not hold air at all).

Maybe a stupid question but Do you think there is any chance the tire may have been slowly leaking air the entire time? That sounds like low pressure.  the only time I’ve had similar experiences was in one 20 minute descent I went through three tubes ..  i put that down to sidewall fatigue as the remainder of the tyre was reasonable, needless to say i replaced the tire at the bottom of the run and had no further issues.
 

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Primoz
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6/24/2024 4:34am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2024 4:35am

Good point, but something I did think about. If it were a problem, I would notice it before each ride when I pump up the tyre and check the pressure, before every ride. It was never empty or almost empty, the air pressure loss was well within normal range for tubeless.

I did start to check pressures at the top (and overinflate before the ride for lower rolling resistance) and forgot to do it yesterday, so I might have lost some air for the rock garden problem. But not in all the cases before, especially the one on the uphill yesterday.

And I used to check tyre pressures before the ride in a cool garage or cellar so I realistically ran higher pressures than 1,5 bar once the tyre warms up in the sun and is taken to a higher altitude. And still there were the two instances I mentioned before the last two days.

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6/24/2024 7:43am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2024 8:17am

Re: Specialized tires, I have been running them frequently last 2 years due to the local Maxxis gouge + screw pricing structure, and because they go on sale more often. I really like Butcher T9 Trail front + Eliminator T7/9 Gravity rear for everyday enduro trail riding and racing. Eliminator is the tire I always wanted the Dissector to be. It corners great (same knobs as Butcher), rolls a fair bit faster than Butcher/DHF clones, and lasts a fair bit longer than Dissector.

Cannibals are best when pushed hard. I pedaled double Cannibals around for awhile and raced them once in an enduro, and it's an awful experience dragging them up the hill. Not worth it for me as an everyday pedal tire (vs. Eliminator gravity, which I love locally) unless you're very fit and have the trails to justify it. Casing is very heavy and they don't roll like Butchers. They are demanding because the side knobs are beefy and not siped (need energy input to bend them), and the stiff casing also needs the same energy (from rider or speed) to be comfortable. They also don't last that long, but comparable to maxxgrip. I like them a lot, but would save for race day or buy in bulk on sale.

Ran the Hillbilly on the front this weekend at Psychosis in Golden (with Cannibal rear). Fantastic in the dust, duff and steep + deep. Awesome tire combo. Hillbilly probably compares to Shorty or Argotal, but I don't have much experience on those. I'd like to run this tire a lot more. 

Generally I can run trail casings on the front, and wish Specialized would offer trail casing or the T7/9 rubber more often throughout the line. Their strategy of keeping the # of SKUs down probably keeps them cheaper. Overall, I can't justify the price delta to buy Maxxis anymore.

I'm typically running 22-23 front / 26-27 rear always with a light insert, up to 24/28 racing in fast dry conditions for my 185lbs.

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6/24/2024 10:11am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2024 10:13am

I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and tougher casing than a Grid Gravity Butcher/Eliminator T9.

Would make sense- Cannibal for DH and EDR racing, other Grid Gravity tires (Butcher/Eliminator) for normal people enduro riding.

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I ran a set of Xynotal from and back in DH casing for the Mt. 7 Psychosis DH this past weekend and really happy with them. Coming from North Van where we usually run soft sticky tires for wet roots I went with the Xynotal in soft as a dry conditions tire. 

They roll fast and don't feel like a draggy DH tire. Before racing the DH on them I put in two back to back 1200m climbing days on the tires and happy with their fast rolling and decent weight. 

Was running too low a pressure for the first course pre run and had several load front tire to rim smacks and no flat.Pressure was down around 18 psi the DH casing was throwing off my thumb calibration, borrowed a gauge and raced them at 23.5 psi, probably could have raced them at 21-22psi.

Will definitely grab more of the Conti tires when I need another set.

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6/24/2024 1:08pm
Primoz wrote:
Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in...

Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in it is beyond anything I've experienced. And I've ran it with a Cushcore XC and at 1,5 bar, the same as I've done before (okay, I used to run Nukeproof ARD, but it can't be the main factor?).

First issue was in the first week in La Thuile, where a small bump on a root caused a double snake bite (through and through). I soon started my Michelin experiment but recently put it back on the bike. On the like second ride a small bonk (didn't even hear the rim, it was that light) I got another through and through snake bite. Plugged that and rode for a few more rides, then today, pumping up the tyre everything was okay only for it to become soft on the uphill. I noticed a sealant puddle coming from the edge of the rim. When that hole formed I have no idea, but I plugged it, pumped it up and away I went. Then starting to descend basically at the top of the run, exiting a rock garden there was maybe a slight thump and the all familiar hiss of the tyre losing air at a rapid pace.

I put three more plugs into the tyre (one at the bead, two in the tread), pumped it up and continued, only for the two in the tread to fall out. From that point on I was over it and rode the rest of the run and back home on the insert... And it's off to the fuck it bucket with it now (running it on the insert did cause a lot more holes to appear behind the edge of the rim and trying to pump it up again mid ride it did not hold air at all).

Another question: Aren't you riding faster these days? You and I have talked a lot about suspension setup and body position, and it's been discussed in these forums, and it sounds like it's all been working for you, leading to more confidence and speed. You only have to go a little bit faster to start getting into new sorts of trouble with rocks, roots, tires, and wheels.

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6/24/2024 1:46pm
Dave_Camp wrote:
I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and...

I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and tougher casing than a Grid Gravity Butcher/Eliminator T9.

Would make sense- Cannibal for DH and EDR racing, other Grid Gravity tires (Butcher/Eliminator) for normal people enduro riding.

Th Cannibal is an excellent tire. Love the way they turn and feel at speed. Casing is hella stout and rubber may be softer than normal T9(?). The tire wears really fast and rolls really slow when pedaling. I would run them much more often but the super sticky T9+tall knobs+stiff casing really make them roll noticeably slower than something like a Kryptotal or Assegai. I'm quite fit, but don't think I could ever run double Cannibals for a daily driver. I want to--but think the rolling resistance would be just too much to get over. 

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6/24/2024 3:14pm
Dave_Camp wrote:
I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and...

I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and tougher casing than a Grid Gravity Butcher/Eliminator T9.

Would make sense- Cannibal for DH and EDR racing, other Grid Gravity tires (Butcher/Eliminator) for normal people enduro riding.

Th Cannibal is an excellent tire. Love the way they turn and feel at speed. Casing is hella stout and rubber may be softer than normal...

Th Cannibal is an excellent tire. Love the way they turn and feel at speed. Casing is hella stout and rubber may be softer than normal T9(?). The tire wears really fast and rolls really slow when pedaling. I would run them much more often but the super sticky T9+tall knobs+stiff casing really make them roll noticeably slower than something like a Kryptotal or Assegai. I'm quite fit, but don't think I could ever run double Cannibals for a daily driver. I want to--but think the rolling resistance would be just too much to get over. 

Is the double Kryptotal fine for winching yourself up a hill on a daily? Im on assegai and dhr2 now and thinking to try something different. 

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6/24/2024 11:30pm
Dave_Camp wrote:
I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and...

I wish Specialized would confirm if they have special casings and rubber just for the Cannibal.  I haven't ridden them, but everyone mentions they are stickier and tougher casing than a Grid Gravity Butcher/Eliminator T9.

Would make sense- Cannibal for DH and EDR racing, other Grid Gravity tires (Butcher/Eliminator) for normal people enduro riding.

Th Cannibal is an excellent tire. Love the way they turn and feel at speed. Casing is hella stout and rubber may be softer than normal...

Th Cannibal is an excellent tire. Love the way they turn and feel at speed. Casing is hella stout and rubber may be softer than normal T9(?). The tire wears really fast and rolls really slow when pedaling. I would run them much more often but the super sticky T9+tall knobs+stiff casing really make them roll noticeably slower than something like a Kryptotal or Assegai. I'm quite fit, but don't think I could ever run double Cannibals for a daily driver. I want to--but think the rolling resistance would be just too much to get over. 

MauiMax wrote:

Is the double Kryptotal fine for winching yourself up a hill on a daily? Im on assegai and dhr2 now and thinking to try something different. 

Everyone keeps saying that Kryptotal R rolls better than their competitors, haven't had the opportunity to ride them yet myself.

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Primoz wrote:
Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in...

Has anybody had problems with consistency of tyres? I'll be throwing away an EXO DHR II as the amount of plugs I had to put in it is beyond anything I've experienced. And I've ran it with a Cushcore XC and at 1,5 bar, the same as I've done before (okay, I used to run Nukeproof ARD, but it can't be the main factor?).

First issue was in the first week in La Thuile, where a small bump on a root caused a double snake bite (through and through). I soon started my Michelin experiment but recently put it back on the bike. On the like second ride a small bonk (didn't even hear the rim, it was that light) I got another through and through snake bite. Plugged that and rode for a few more rides, then today, pumping up the tyre everything was okay only for it to become soft on the uphill. I noticed a sealant puddle coming from the edge of the rim. When that hole formed I have no idea, but I plugged it, pumped it up and away I went. Then starting to descend basically at the top of the run, exiting a rock garden there was maybe a slight thump and the all familiar hiss of the tyre losing air at a rapid pace.

I put three more plugs into the tyre (one at the bead, two in the tread), pumped it up and continued, only for the two in the tread to fall out. From that point on I was over it and rode the rest of the run and back home on the insert... And it's off to the fuck it bucket with it now (running it on the insert did cause a lot more holes to appear behind the edge of the rim and trying to pump it up again mid ride it did not hold air at all).

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Another question: Aren't you riding faster these days? You and I have talked a lot about suspension setup and body position, and it's been discussed in...

Another question: Aren't you riding faster these days? You and I have talked a lot about suspension setup and body position, and it's been discussed in these forums, and it sounds like it's all been working for you, leading to more confidence and speed. You only have to go a little bit faster to start getting into new sorts of trouble with rocks, roots, tires, and wheels.

No. The latest issues were on the exact same loop we did on the Thursday's ride when you were in Slovenia, if you remember any of it. My fastest times were for sure back in 2021. Last year was good, but this year I am for sure not properly ridden in as I have more hiking days and quite a few riding days this year are very measured (relationships and getting partners into mountain biking stuff...). I am far from comfortable on the bike, though 2 days ago (the issues day) the feeling was good. But still, something is just off with this tyre.

I put an EXO+ Assegai on the bike now, I had one laying around (also came new with the bike as a front tyre) and I'll just wear it off as it's basically as new. So I will see if there's a difference.

Then off to probably Schwalbe in a Trail casing, (ultra?) soft/soft Magic Mary/Big Betty combo. That or a set of Contis (enduro soft front and rear). A 100+ kg friend of mine has had problems with Maxxis EXO casing tyres, but is VERY happy with Schwalbes in the trail casing.

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(X post fromMTBR) Adding for reference, got two, both ultra soft SG and both are 5g’s within each other. Scale is accurate to a 1kg by 10g. Heavier than expected, going to be used for Mammoth and N* depending on how they work, really happy with a Conti Argo in the front and a Krypt Fr in the rear right now. The TC has about the same profile as the Argotol. The KRF is much flatter. Excited to compare these, the Conti combination has been my do it all setup, winch and plummet 4K climb days to just quick rips after work. Lots of tire to push up a hill but lots of fun where it matters.

Has anyone compared the weight of the Super Trail to the Super Gravity? Is it as advertised? I’m really wanting a tire setup that works as well as my contis but doesn’t give me the DH tire weight penalty…

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I keep hearing great things about Conti tires, excited to finally try them out soon.

Does anyone have any experience with the difference between conti Soft and Super Soft casings? I'm going to be spending a decent chunk of time in Sea to Sky area soon and I'm wondering if Soft will be "fine" for grip when it gets a touch wet. The super soft style tires I've ran in the past (Maxgrip and Schwalbies offering) are amazing for their brief life, but just simply fall apart too quickly to be anything more than a race tire for me. 

 

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6/25/2024 5:04am
DServy wrote:
I keep hearing great things about Conti tires, excited to finally try them out soon. Does anyone have any experience with the difference between conti Soft...

I keep hearing great things about Conti tires, excited to finally try them out soon.

Does anyone have any experience with the difference between conti Soft and Super Soft casings? I'm going to be spending a decent chunk of time in Sea to Sky area soon and I'm wondering if Soft will be "fine" for grip when it gets a touch wet. The super soft style tires I've ran in the past (Maxgrip and Schwalbies offering) are amazing for their brief life, but just simply fall apart too quickly to be anything more than a race tire for me. 

 

Conti softs last forever I run them on my ebike.

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