he’s not anti eeb he’s genuinely curious and brand new to this and the way he’s worded all of it belies no opinion whatsoever
truly just asking questions bro!
It’s a troll post from a fragile fast guy. It’s human nature to center oneself, we all do it from time to time. I like El Robotman but he’s burnt on this one, I agree. That’s fine.
When i was “industry” i used to sell my bikes every year and get the newwest shit and I felt like it was important because I was racing in the bikes were getting better every year. Now obviously this has changed and our bikes are pretty much the same every year and I only need to sell them used when I’m ready for a whole new complete or I find some smoking deal because I’m not “industry” anymore. Back in the day yada yada yada dad problems….
but I have watched the E bike thing from the very beginning as a person who enjoys riding motorcycles, and believes, of course, that inevitably we will have a hard time getting bikes without motors ((unless we buy them from custom framebuilders because we are antiques and we are Luddites just like the bikes we prefer))). “” here it comes the wave of Ebikes “” they all keep telling us…..
But then I noticed something :I noticed waves of disgruntled customers in the shops.
And so many horror stories and massive price increases. I got to say, it looks like really really really really good bikes are coming down the line, both pedal or electric powered but the bikes right now with no motors are pretty incredible. And the bikes with motors have a lot of opportunity to create headaches, and I did move to a part of the world where I can only ride about six months of the year. If I’m pretty hard charging, and the idea of a motor or a controller costing me half that time not to mention the money, well it just keeps me from pulling the trigger, using the credit card, saving all winter, and making it happen no matter what- like I did for my regular mountain bikes for 20+ years now.
custom spire build, modern geo, reliable and easy to service parts, kinda just keeps working. Bad ass ktm 10 years old, gets shop,service every 5k miles and just keeps working. Order parts when needed, put them on, call a pro when its nasty repair shit over my head.
i can honestly say that im a perfect candidate for an ebike. But the tech and access for motorcycle type repair ( like the guy that owns his KTM for eight years and keeps fixing it and ridingit) isnt there, and thats where the big brands are failing.
I heard that specialized is training motorcycle dealerships to repair there motors because that’s where they expect people to take these engines for the service
Personally I bought a shimano ebike in 2019 with over 30% discount for 3350€ and converted it into a mullet. If motor or battery fails I...
Personally I bought a shimano ebike in 2019 with over 30% discount for 3350€ and converted it into a mullet. If motor or battery fails I can buy e8000 or upgrade to ep800/801 and even but a bigger capacity BT-E8016 battery for a few hundred euros. I think a new motor costs between 700 and 800 €. BT-8010 batteries start at 400. Used stuff is considerably cheaper. I'm in the market for a new bike as the geo got a little too short with the mullet conversion but I have time because the bike still rides awesome and so I'll wait for a deal.
Can you bolt a new Shimano motor in an old Shimano motor mount? Like are all generations of Shimano motors cross-compatible? Ditto, can you bolt a...
Can you bolt a new Shimano motor in an old Shimano motor mount? Like are all generations of Shimano motors cross-compatible? Ditto, can you bolt a new Bosch into an old Bosch system, a new Brose into an old Brose, etc? My understanding is that you can't even buy a lot of those motors aftermarket, and even if you could it's not an apples to apples swap. Again, just curious. I only know what I've heard from standing around the tailgate after rides.
Yes, you can fit EP8 to E8000 mounts. You'd need to replace some cabling too since they moved to an even thinner ones with EP8, and...
Yes, you can fit EP8 to E8000 mounts. You'd need to replace some cabling too since they moved to an even thinner ones with EP8, and I believe you'd need a different cable to the battery, but my memory is bad on this one.
They don't sell the motors directly, but I was able to buy E8000 aftermarket a couple years ago to replace one that failed on me. Fun fact though is you'd also need either a dealer visit, or to buy that derestricter app so you can input the wheel circumference - mine new one came with some ridiculous number that you cant change yourself, and speed cut-off was at around 10mph or so.
So it's a hassle, but it's all doable.
Yeah, in my opinion the upgrade to EP8 doesn't make that much sense if you like the characteristic of the e8000. Also the EP8 rattles more than the e8000. Depending on the frame you can have a pretty siltent bike with the e8000 but not so much with the EP8 or EP801. An upgrade thats well worth it would be from e7000 to e8000 without having to change cables. If you use the bigger battery BT-8016 there is also a more solid metal mount but you can also use the old one if you remove some plastic.
Also the software customizability of the shimano motors with Stunlocker and Emax is pretty good! For installing a new motor you need to buy the stunlocker app for like 30€ or Emax which is more expensive but also has more features and better support.
I said this in the other thread and will say it here. I have never purchased a bike thinking how much I will sell it for. My friend does that because he owns a bike shop and that is what he does to make a living. I buy based on want or need. I ride the crap out of it and it is worth what it is worth when (IF) I decide to sell it. My basement says I don't sell very many bikes, wife reminds me of this as well. Same goes for cars or my house. I need a truck and buy it based on what I like and when the time comes to replace it I hope for the best on a trade in. House is worth more than I could imagine but if I sold it I can't afford to buy anything else so it's perceived value is not really a difference to me.
I do try to get the best deal possible when buying a bike.
I'm waiting until technology advances more. In particular I want to see a Pinion Smart Shift gearbox integrated with the motor. By the time that happens I might have enough cash to afford one.
I always bought my ebike used at a low price. I don't race my e-bike so it just got hands me down part from my other...
I always bought my ebike used at a low price. I don't race my e-bike so it just got hands me down part from my other "race-ready" bikes. Unfortunately, my latest motor (Bosh on a Trek) died and I was shocked by how bad the warranty and service were. Trek was only offering me to put it in the trash and get a new one at a small discount.. So much for repairability and sustainability. I ended up changing the motor myself from a space found on eBay.I paid around $500 when the dealer was asked to change the whole system for 5 times more
I would argue e-bike (and electronics in general) should not be impossible to repair but there is zero infrastructure to maintain our gadgets.. What do people do to change a 25-cent transistor.. Toss the whole thing and get a new one..
I'm now on Levo SL, I have slightly more hope on Specialized services but I still feel e-bikes are ticking bombs I should move around faster than an analog bike until it dies under my butt.. I
those guys can get you most parts to repair a bosch motor:
Hey now be nice, robots are people too!
he’s not anti eeb he’s genuinely curious and brand new to this and the way he’s worded all of it belies no opinion whatsoever
truly just asking questions bro!
It’s a troll post from a fragile fast guy. It’s human nature to center oneself, we all do it from time to time. I like El Robotman but he’s burnt on this one, I agree. That’s fine.
i wish I was riding too.
When i was “industry” i used to sell my bikes every year and get the newwest shit and I felt like it was important because I was racing in the bikes were getting better every year. Now obviously this has changed and our bikes are pretty much the same every year and I only need to sell them used when I’m ready for a whole new complete or I find some smoking deal because I’m not “industry” anymore. Back in the day yada yada yada dad problems….
but I have watched the E bike thing from the very beginning as a person who enjoys riding motorcycles, and believes, of course, that inevitably we will have a hard time getting bikes without motors ((unless we buy them from custom framebuilders because we are antiques and we are Luddites just like the bikes we prefer))). “” here it comes the wave of Ebikes “” they all keep telling us…..
But then I noticed something :I noticed waves of disgruntled customers in the shops.
And so many horror stories and massive price increases. I got to say, it looks like really really really really good bikes are coming down the line, both pedal or electric powered but the bikes right now with no motors are pretty incredible. And the bikes with motors have a lot of opportunity to create headaches, and I did move to a part of the world where I can only ride about six months of the year. If I’m pretty hard charging, and the idea of a motor or a controller costing me half that time not to mention the money, well it just keeps me from pulling the trigger, using the credit card, saving all winter, and making it happen no matter what- like I did for my regular mountain bikes for 20+ years now.
custom spire build, modern geo, reliable and easy to service parts, kinda just keeps working. Bad ass ktm 10 years old, gets shop,service every 5k miles and just keeps working. Order parts when needed, put them on, call a pro when its nasty repair shit over my head.
i can honestly say that im a perfect candidate for an ebike. But the tech and access for motorcycle type repair ( like the guy that owns his KTM for eight years and keeps fixing it and ridingit) isnt there, and thats where the big brands are failing.
I heard that specialized is training motorcycle dealerships to repair there motors because that’s where they expect people to take these engines for the service
To be honest, that kind of makes sense…..
Yeah, in my opinion the upgrade to EP8 doesn't make that much sense if you like the characteristic of the e8000. Also the EP8 rattles more than the e8000. Depending on the frame you can have a pretty siltent bike with the e8000 but not so much with the EP8 or EP801. An upgrade thats well worth it would be from e7000 to e8000 without having to change cables. If you use the bigger battery BT-8016 there is also a more solid metal mount but you can also use the old one if you remove some plastic.
Also the software customizability of the shimano motors with Stunlocker and Emax is pretty good! For installing a new motor you need to buy the stunlocker app for like 30€ or Emax which is more expensive but also has more features and better support.
earbuds are the best solution to shimano motor rattle noise or, well, lack of, in the case of the Judas Priest rocking Procor brobrah shredder Doode.
I said this in the other thread and will say it here. I have never purchased a bike thinking how much I will sell it for. My friend does that because he owns a bike shop and that is what he does to make a living. I buy based on want or need. I ride the crap out of it and it is worth what it is worth when (IF) I decide to sell it. My basement says I don't sell very many bikes, wife reminds me of this as well. Same goes for cars or my house. I need a truck and buy it based on what I like and when the time comes to replace it I hope for the best on a trade in. House is worth more than I could imagine but if I sold it I can't afford to buy anything else so it's perceived value is not really a difference to me.
I do try to get the best deal possible when buying a bike.
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Dude what fork is that
I'm waiting until technology advances more. In particular I want to see a Pinion Smart Shift gearbox integrated with the motor. By the time that happens I might have enough cash to afford one.
those guys can get you most parts to repair a bosch motor:
https://ebike-doktor.de/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=25&p…
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