“All Mountain” Bike Options?

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Coming off a 2021 Transition Sentinel, love the thing to death but it’s extremely clapped by this point. Obviously the Stumpy Evo is an immediate question to potentially move to but I found the Ripmo to not be enough bike for my liking. Want to stay in the same general geo/travel numbers and curious people’s thoughts on what to consider and potentially move to next.

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Pivot Switchblade is another good option in that range.  I have owned the Stumpy Evo, previous Switchblade and current Switchblade and it wasn't a contest for me.  I didn't ever mesh with the Stumpy on tech climbs (others love it so I concede this could be a me problem) and found the old Switchblade equal or better on everything else.  The newer Switchblade is a baby Firebird and is better at bombing down trails than either.  I don't think they hurt the climbing in any noticeable way either.  I have a lot of bikes and any time I just select a bike for fun instead of some really specific purpose it is the Switchblade.  All the bikes in the same range are going to be really solid though and I think it is hard to pick with trying a few.  I know that's easier said than done but it is still the best thing you can do.

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az2au wrote:
Pivot Switchblade is another good option in that range.  I have owned the Stumpy Evo, previous Switchblade and current Switchblade and it wasn't a contest for...

Pivot Switchblade is another good option in that range.  I have owned the Stumpy Evo, previous Switchblade and current Switchblade and it wasn't a contest for me.  I didn't ever mesh with the Stumpy on tech climbs (others love it so I concede this could be a me problem) and found the old Switchblade equal or better on everything else.  The newer Switchblade is a baby Firebird and is better at bombing down trails than either.  I don't think they hurt the climbing in any noticeable way either.  I have a lot of bikes and any time I just select a bike for fun instead of some really specific purpose it is the Switchblade.  All the bikes in the same range are going to be really solid though and I think it is hard to pick with trying a few.  I know that's easier said than done but it is still the best thing you can do.

Yeah I'm wondering if that could be a good option...definitely leaning more towards the downhill side of things rather than the perfect balance. Curious if the new stumpy could be the ticket or if the switchblade is still the best move. Don't think selling the sentinel and then buying a fresh one makes much sense either so might just have to sit and wait for a little while.

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6/16/2024 8:03am

Orbea Rallon always gets very good reviews, pick a Santa Cruz in your category also. 

Nothing will be miles better than a Sentinel which is already such a solid bike so maybe look for extra features like in frame storage etc

I'm considering the new Rocky Altitude, but I'd say it's more race bike than all mountain

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The new Hightower should be considered too.  It's very solidly in that category with a slight tilt towards descents.

I'd consider a V2 Druid too.  130mm travel only but definitely rides as if it had more.  

In this category I think tires can make a huge difference and can tilt any bike more towards trail or enduro depending on what rubber is mounted up.

Jeffsy could be a contender too at a cheaper price point if that is a consideration.

You could do a Revel Rail also which behaves more as an all mountain bike.

Lot's to choose from for sure.

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According to what you’re thinking I wouldn’t get the switchblade but rather the Firebird, the switchblade is a mean machine but lacks the downhill capability of a more dh oriented frame

 

I’d stay away from everything with a Clevis Mount ( stumpy, Commencal, revel, ripmo and such )

for how good the bikes might be it’s just a stupid design that puts useless stress on the shock

personally tried the Stumpy evo, sb140LR, latest switchblade,latest propain Tyee, latest fuel ex, and I still think that an Offering LS with a coil, 160 fork and a -1° headset is still the most fun and capable descending bike while being great on the ups as well 

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6/17/2024 8:53am Edited Date/Time 6/17/2024 8:55am

Why not another sentinel if you liked it?  Could ride the current one till it actually breaks and get a crash replacement frame. Spires/Patrols are also less playful than the sentinel but still have a pretty decent pedaling platform/playfulness if you want to try something with more travel.

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6/17/2024 2:25pm

agreed with the above.  My favorite trail bikes at the moment are: Transition Sentinal, Pivot switchblade, yeti sb140, giant trance x 29 advanced (22my is good, new one is better), SC Hightower

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Reeb Steezl. 

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There are some incredible deals going right now on previous gen Norco Sights and Marin Alpine Trails.

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sb140, switchblade, hightower, ripmo, offering. 

Stuff I'm familiar with and all great bikes in the category. 

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6/18/2024 8:06am

Also on a 2021 Sentinel and I'll probably ride it til it dies. More options for you are the Atherton 150, RAAW Madonna (Jibb might fit the all mountain category better), and Forbidden Druid.

I did demo a We Are One Arrival 150 and it's the only bike I've tried that has tempted me towards a new frame. That bike was a ton of fun to ride

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I love my Stumpy EVO I have a Zeb on it and I switch between a deluxe air and deluxe coil depending if I'm going to do some lift served stuff for a whole weekend. The head angle and chain stay adjustments actually make a huge difference, that along with tires this thing works awesome for me from local XC after work rides to big Pisgah rides to a weekend at Snowshoe/Windrock. 

I'm on the alloy frame and I plan to keep this indefinitely and if it breaks ill probably get the new one if they have an alloy as well it just does everything well and is sturdy and simple frame. 

Don't get too hung up on the clevis thing, as long as you aren't running a shock that the company specifically says not to run with a clevis you wont have issues, they have sold a metric ton of these bikes so you are going to see more problems pop up online. Trunnion has its own issues as well. 

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Coming off a 2021 Transition Sentinel, love the thing to death but it’s extremely clapped by this point. Obviously the Stumpy Evo is an immediate question...

Coming off a 2021 Transition Sentinel, love the thing to death but it’s extremely clapped by this point. Obviously the Stumpy Evo is an immediate question to potentially move to but I found the Ripmo to not be enough bike for my liking. Want to stay in the same general geo/travel numbers and curious people’s thoughts on what to consider and potentially move to next.

Real quick, the switchblade could not hold a candle next to the sentinel at descending. Most bikes in this category are pretty similar in geo, travel, and price. Unless you look at the new HP trail bikes, those are a totally different animal and require a separate conversation. 

Is price a factor? Do you care about difficulty of maintenance? What types of riding to you spend the most time doing? What kind of trails are they? Do you care about weight? What kind of climbing do you have to do, is it technical or smooth? I dont see the point in owning something like the Ripmo if you're sending it down steep rock gardens all the time. Or owning a Spire if the majority of your riding is flat or smooth.

I went from a Sentinel to a SJEvo and found it was damn near the same bike in every way, except for the frame storage. I bought the Speshy hoping would climb better, it didnt. The Sentinel was way better in park, but the SJ was better at "Trail" riding. 

A few of the models in this category are also overdue for an update and I suspect we'll see at least (maybe 4) 2 new bikes in this category before the year is over. Spec, Evil, Ibis, Transition, their AM bikes are all 4-5 years old.

All bikes are really good these days, the difference in ride feel/suspension performance from the frame is very similar with minute details. Wanna be weird? Get a Contra. Need lifetime warranty no questions asked? Get a Santa Cruz. So many questions. So many bikes. 

 

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austin-NC wrote:
I love my Stumpy EVO I have a Zeb on it and I switch between a deluxe air and deluxe coil depending if I'm going to...

I love my Stumpy EVO I have a Zeb on it and I switch between a deluxe air and deluxe coil depending if I'm going to do some lift served stuff for a whole weekend. The head angle and chain stay adjustments actually make a huge difference, that along with tires this thing works awesome for me from local XC after work rides to big Pisgah rides to a weekend at Snowshoe/Windrock. 

I'm on the alloy frame and I plan to keep this indefinitely and if it breaks ill probably get the new one if they have an alloy as well it just does everything well and is sturdy and simple frame. 

Don't get too hung up on the clevis thing, as long as you aren't running a shock that the company specifically says not to run with a clevis you wont have issues, they have sold a metric ton of these bikes so you are going to see more problems pop up online. Trunnion has its own issues as well. 

just a copy paste from the "MTB Tech and Rumor innovation"

From The suspension LAB NZ ( suspension shop in Rotorua )

The yoke destroying shocks thing is not even slightly overblown! Its just buckling forces on a slender part.....the longer you make it the more it wants to buckle when compressed. I have piles of broken shocks from nearly every brand that has been wrecked by shock extenders. Coil and air, fox, rockshox, cane creek, DVO.....even the latest air spring models with larger steel shafts and damper bodies get ruined at a far greater rate than other bikes

Service techs noticed this trend a long time ago - its not just yoke bikes but they are the ones almost guaranteed to wreck shocks as soon as you use one that is not quite strong enough or the mounting bolt isn't torqued 100%.

 Problem seems to be the frame makers are flat out refusing to acknowledge any responsibility and suspension manufacturers aren't pushing back hard enough. Fox FINALLY added their TSB for coil shocks (https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1138) a few years ago, but bikes brands and shops don't seem to even be aware of it because I still regularly get people who have been told by brands on that list that their Fox DHX2 is fine! Yet I have it on my bench with a broken eyelet.

you all can dislike posts as much as you want if you don't like facts but they will remain so

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