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11/13/2024 1:39pm

Sam Hill and Josh Bryceland returning to racing is probably the biggest highlight of the year-end to me.  Sweeeeeet!

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BGoldstone wrote:

That's damn near the entire world cup top 20 men and top 10 women! (Minus the Frenchies for some reason)

I know ignoring the numbers is out of fashion this week but um please show your work on this 🧐

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11/13/2024 1:48pm
BGoldstone wrote:

That's damn near the entire world cup top 20 men and top 10 women! (Minus the Frenchies for some reason)

owl-x wrote:

I know ignoring the numbers is out of fashion this week but um please show your work on this 🧐

Source: I made it up.


Sorry for the bad math

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It’s actually called Making up the numbers and all the cool kids are listening. Give it a go!

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11/13/2024 1:56pm

That's damn near the entire world cup top 20 men and top 10 women! (Minus the Frenchies for some reason)

owl-x wrote:

I know ignoring the numbers is out of fashion this week but um please show your work on this 🧐

Source: I made it up.


Sorry for the bad math

ahahahaha nice!

I can’t imagine letting JG go back to this thing with the upcoming WC points / team structure…

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11/14/2024 5:54am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 5:55am
owl-x wrote:

ahahahaha nice!

I can’t imagine letting JG go back to this thing with the upcoming WC points / team structure…

If he'd hurt himself on one of the signature features I'd agree that maybe big freeride-esque features weren't a good career plan... but it was a fairly innocuous corner (for a WC racer, I'm sure I couldn't do it) that he messed up on.

Telling someone they should only ride 100% for the 8 WC rounds as its too much of an injury risk can't be a good phsycological message for anyone, let alone a relative youngster in one of the biggest spotlights.

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11/14/2024 8:25am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 8:26am
owl-x wrote:

ahahahaha nice!

I can’t imagine letting JG go back to this thing with the upcoming WC points / team structure…

AJW1 wrote:
If he'd hurt himself on one of the signature features I'd agree that maybe big freeride-esque features weren't a good career plan... but it was a...

If he'd hurt himself on one of the signature features I'd agree that maybe big freeride-esque features weren't a good career plan... but it was a fairly innocuous corner (for a WC racer, I'm sure I couldn't do it) that he messed up on.

Telling someone they should only ride 100% for the 8 WC rounds as its too much of an injury risk can't be a good phsycological message for anyone, let alone a relative youngster in one of the biggest spotlights.

Also the whole point of this stuff - from the brands' perspectives anyway - is not to have a race winner. It's to sell bikes. ALL this stuff is done so companies can sell bikes.

If Specialized could push ONE rider off a cliff to their deaths but would then sell every bike they could make for the next 10 years, they'd start with Loic because he's the most expensive rider...and probably throw Finn off, too, just in case they found a loophole and sacrificing a second rider gives them an extra 10 years of sales.

Jackson doing well at Hardline probably sells as many V10s, Nomads, and Valas as him doing well in Val di Sole.

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That's damn near the entire world cup top 20 men and top 10 women! (Minus the Frenchies for some reason)

owl-x wrote:

I know ignoring the numbers is out of fashion this week but um please show your work on this 🧐

Source: I made it up.


Sorry for the bad math

You couldn’t be more incorrect if you tried. 

There are 4 top 50 male elite riders from the 2024 World Cup overall. 

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11/15/2024 1:01pm

Dunne, Kerr, Hatton, Iniguez, Brosnan and Greenland were all top 50 last year so math really is hard(line) after all

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an email update to world cup qualifying and team rules

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UCI TEAMS UPDATE
2025 TEAMS & QUALIFICATION INFORMATION
 

Following the recent update & publication of the 2025 UCI MTB Regulations, below are the details of what they mean for UCI Teams & qualification for the 2025 UCI World Cup.
 
FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON
 
UCI MTB Team Registration:

All teams must first register as a UCI Team – registration fee €5,000. A team must consist of a minimum of 3 & a maximum of 10 athletes. This UCI registration is for all teams worldwide, regardless of size or ambition, and will cover all races on the UCI Mountain Bike annual calendar, including UCI World Championships if you wish to book paddock space to support your selected athletes.

Following the closing date for team registration (January 15th 2025) the UCI will prepare two UCI Team Rankings – Endurance (XCO) & Gravity (DHI) - using the UCI points of the highest scoring 4 riders across all UCI World Cup age categories from both genders, registered for the team for the 2025 season.

Any UCI Team can apply for one of five wildcard World Series team places for the full Whoop UCI Mountain Bike World Series season, or one of eight wildcard UCI MTB Team places per event, per category (Endurance & Gravity). The wildcard World Series teams will be chosen using a scored matrix of the following: 

2024 UCI team ranking & 2024 UCI World Cup team standing, profile of individual athletes, profile of team sponsors, social media profile of team & individual athletes, any athletes who requested injury status during 2024, history of younger category athlete development or a development team linked under the same main sponsor(s) or paying agent, any history of anti-doping violations or the breaking of any UCI or WBD regulations or codes of conduct.

Standard UCI MTB Teams can support any of their athletes who qualify for any rounds of the UCI World Cup

‘C’ paddock space will be available to a maximum of 100m2 & should be booked directly with each event LOC. The cost per m2 & the cost of power & water will be available from the LOC

 
National Federations:

‘C’ paddock space will be available to national federations supporting athletes selected under their quota, to a maximum of 30m2 which will be free of charge & should be booked directly with each event LOC.  The cost of power & water will be available from the LOC

 
World Series Teams:

The top-15 teams from each ranking will be invited to register (+ 5 Wild Cards) as World Series Teams for the 2025 season 

Annual World Series team fee €40,000. 

There will be a maximum of 20 Gravity and 20 Endurance World Series teams per year.

The World Series Team fee includes all associated operational on-site costs for the season, including ‘A’ paddock space up to a maximum of 200m2, 32amp power, water, media package, entry fees

Paddock space will be booked directly with Warner Bros – Discovery (WBD)

At the start of the season, each World Series team will receive: 12 annual staff accreditations, accreditations for all riders, two Team bibs, two Team Media bibs, 3 parking passes per event, timing transponders for the season

A World Series Team will be allowed to sell Official World Series Team Merchandise & host hospitality with guests/sponsors from their paddock space

Team branding will feature in all TV Graphics (colours/logo TBC)

WBD will have a medical coordinator on the staff team at each event as a consistent point of contact for all WS Teams. Concussion baseline testing & monitoring will be carried out by this coordinator.

If the sponsor(s) or paying agent of a World Series Team also has a development team, this must be notified to both the UCI (caroline.constantin@uci.ch) & WBD (simon.burney@wbd.com) . The development team must be registered as a UCI MTB Team & will be known as the ‘linked development team’

A World Series Team can include any athletes from their linked Development team for any round of the UCI World Cup, within the maximum of 4 athletes per race/category

Any World Cup standing points gained by the Development team athlete will be attributed to the World Series Team, any UCI points gained will remain with the athlete & therefor to the UCI MTB Team to which they are registered

Development team athletes must race in the uniform of the WS Team

 
 
FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ROUND OF A UCI MOUNTAIN BIKE WORLD CUP 
 
UCI World Cup Entry Qualification:
UCI World Cup entry closing dates, dates of UCI Ranking used, & wildcard team application deadlines can be found on the attached document.
 
World Series Teams:

Any athlete registered as a member of a World Series Team is eligible to be entered for a UCI World Cup. A team can enter a maximum of 4 athletes in any one race/category

A World Series Team can enter one guest rider twice during a season. The guest rider is in addition to the 4-athlete per race/category. The guest rider must wear the uniform of the WS Team

World Series Teams will enter the UCI World Cup directly with WBD using the entry portal

 
UCI MTB Teams:

Any UCI MTB Team can apply for one of 8 wildcard UCI MTB Team places per event. These 8 teams will be chosen per round of the UCI World Cup using the same scoring matrix as detailed above, with the additional categories of - home country of the team, & team standing in any Continental Series

A Team must apply to WBD for a wildcard team place at least 7 days before the entry closing date of the round concerned – apply to simon.burney@wbd.com

A UCI MTB Team selected as a wildcard for a round will enter directly with WBD using the entry portal.  The UCI regulation related to a maximum of 4 riders from a team in any single race/category will apply.

An invited UCI MTB team will be allocated space in the ‘B’ Paddock

 
Individuals:

For XCO, any Elite athlete ranked in the top-100 of the UCI ranking or any U23 athlete ranked in the top-200 of the UCI ranking, using the last ranking dated before the closing date of the round, is eligible to enter

For DHI, any Elite athlete ranked in the top-50 of the UCI ranking or any Junior athlete ranked in the top-100 of the UCI ranking, using the last ranking dated before the closing date of the round, is eligible to enter

Any current National, Continental, World or Olympic Champion is eligible to enter a UCI World Cup

At any round of a Continental Series, the top-5 riders in any Elite or U23 race (XCO) or Elite or Junior race (DHI) who are not registered in a World Series Team are offered a ‘Golden Ticket’ to enter one round of the UCI World Cup during the same season

An individual who qualifies for a round will enter via their national federation 

 
Continental Series:

A Continental Series is coordinated by the appropriate Confederation 

The UCI will work with each participating Confederation to finalise the details of their Series, which will be communicated by the UCI as soon as available

There is no involvement of Warner Bros – Discovery (WBD) in the Continental Series, other than in an advisory role if requested

WBD will use round results & series standings published by the UCI or Confederation to offer ‘Golden Ticket’ entries per round as described above, and 2026 UCI World Cup full season entries for the top-5 riders per category in the final overall standings

Rounds of each Continental Series are standard UCI calendar events, therefor open to any license holder in the normal way

 
Enduro:

All Enduro Teams are registered as UCI MTB Teams – there are no Enduro World Series Teams

A Gravity/DHI World Series Team can include athletes who specialise in Enduro within their maximum 10 rider roster & support them at Enduro-only rounds of the UCI World Cup as per the terms of WS Teams, detailed above

Any athlete registered to a Enduro UCI MTB Team or on a World Series Gravity Team can enter a UCI EDR World Cup

Any athlete that meets the minimum number of required points outlined in the Enduro Rulebook can enter a UCI EDR World Cup

National Federations will have a quota for riders who do not meet any other qualification pathway (in the same way as XCO & DHI). Federation quota selection is solely at the discretion of the NF.

 
Individual riders qualified to enter a World Cup event but who are not registered to a UCI MTB Team, World Series Team or supported by a National Federation will be able to book space in the ‘C’ Paddock at each event, managed directly by each LOC.
 
Paddock Overview:
A Paddock: World Series teams 
B Paddock: Per event, 8 invited UCI MTB Teams per format. Bookings managed by each LOC
C Paddock: UCI MTB Teams, National Federations and open to any bookings, managed by each LOC
  

If you have any further queries about the 2025 UCI Regulations or the above information please contact either the UCI (caroline.constantin@uci.ch) or WBD (simon.burney@wbd.com).

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11/20/2024 8:10am

Checking the maths here:

World Series = 15x Endurance + 15x Gravity = 1.2 mil

UCI MTB = 8x Endurance + 8x Gravity = 80k

Minimum revenue = 1.28 million 

What is prize money for teams?

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11/20/2024 8:13am

Sounds like we’re all pitching in 5,000 euros apiece? These guys are crooks for that cover charge alone…

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11/20/2024 11:19am
owl-x wrote:

Sounds like we’re all pitching in 5,000 euros apiece? These guys are crooks for that cover charge alone…

€40,000 for 10 riders at 10 events is €400 per rider per event to cover entry fees, paddock space (including power and water), plus whatever comes in the media package. Sounds reasonable to me, and maybe a good incentive to have sign 10 riders. Consider what entry fees are for your local race, and then consider how much bigger a production a world cup is. This is a way for the team sponsors to indirectly pay for putting on the race.

And nobody participates in any professional sport for free. Either the individual or their team pays into the league somehow.

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11/20/2024 11:53am
owl-x wrote:

ahahahaha nice!

I can’t imagine letting JG go back to this thing with the upcoming WC points / team structure…

I would imagine the logo all over his helmet is big factor 😂

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11/20/2024 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2024 1:26pm
mfoga wrote:

I would imagine the logo all over his helmet is big factor 😂

For sure they want him there, but Bruni was invited last year and opted not to go. I'd think it's more likely up to him and his team (although possibly not in that order).

11/21/2024 3:40pm
owl-x wrote:

Sounds like we’re all pitching in 5,000 euros apiece? These guys are crooks for that cover charge alone…

bnflynn wrote:
€40,000 for 10 riders at 10 events is €400 per rider per event to cover entry fees, paddock space (including power and water), plus whatever comes...

€40,000 for 10 riders at 10 events is €400 per rider per event to cover entry fees, paddock space (including power and water), plus whatever comes in the media package. Sounds reasonable to me, and maybe a good incentive to have sign 10 riders. Consider what entry fees are for your local race, and then consider how much bigger a production a world cup is. This is a way for the team sponsors to indirectly pay for putting on the race.

And nobody participates in any professional sport for free. Either the individual or their team pays into the league somehow.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point but if the end result is only 4 teams can afford the fees then it doesn't work .

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11/22/2024 7:19am
bnflynn wrote:
€40,000 for 10 riders at 10 events is €400 per rider per event to cover entry fees, paddock space (including power and water), plus whatever comes...

€40,000 for 10 riders at 10 events is €400 per rider per event to cover entry fees, paddock space (including power and water), plus whatever comes in the media package. Sounds reasonable to me, and maybe a good incentive to have sign 10 riders. Consider what entry fees are for your local race, and then consider how much bigger a production a world cup is. This is a way for the team sponsors to indirectly pay for putting on the race.

And nobody participates in any professional sport for free. Either the individual or their team pays into the league somehow.

I like your math and see your point. €40k in the scheme of pro sports is nothing. Costs more than that to bring most pro teams to each game. 

But it’s a huge cost in the MTB world where some riders are paying to be there and some of the manufacturers are small companies (Frameworks, Atherton, Forbidden, Propain, NS, Intense). Have to reckon the cost is an attempt to pull in large corporate sponsors. 

I don’t see how it works. It’s not like Commencal and Trek can just glom all their teams together into one mega team. And I’m skeptical either of them will pony up €40k euro for multiple teams. Commencal had, what, 7 teams last year? There are so many conflicting suspension, tire, component, and clothing sponsors. You gonna have Schwable be the rear tire sponsor and Vee the front tire sponsor? Shirts from Fox and Troy Lee pants? It just doesn’t work. 

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3 days of fun and shredding at hard mtb league

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11/22/2024 1:33pm
Cheezario wrote:
Checking the maths here:World Series = 15x Endurance + 15x Gravity = 1.2 milUCI MTB = 8x Endurance + 8x Gravity = 80kMinimum revenue = 1.28...

Checking the maths here:

World Series = 15x Endurance + 15x Gravity = 1.2 mil

UCI MTB = 8x Endurance + 8x Gravity = 80k

Minimum revenue = 1.28 million 

What is prize money for teams?

The beatings will continue until morale improves. 
Nice work uci/discovery. 

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sspomer wrote:

3 days of fun and shredding at hard mtb league

Has some old Sandhill Ranch Mtb vibes.   

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11/29/2024 8:47am

WB/Discovery are trying to run the sport like other big money sports (mainly the many global motorsport model) - where huge registration fees apply. There's one tiny flaw in their plan.......MTB racing isn't awash with big money teams/ sponsors.....

I've said it elsewhere - they've made too many big changes, far too soon. It all feels rushed so they can recuperate as much money as quickly as possible. It's not going to work........

 

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WB reaches about bringing in outside sponsors, but almost everything they have done has made that less likely to happen. 

Putting race coverage behind a paywall reduces visibility of MTB, this makes the sport less valuable to sponsors not more. 

Even if in Europe it is now available on cable tv coverage, that isn't very valuable since the retention rate of viewers was very poor. That means the viewership is almost useless to sponsors. WB has made viewership numbers very difficult to find, the only thing I've seen was a German article months ago. 

 

WB has made DH less attractive to sponsors, both inside and outside of MTB. Enduro is even worse. 

I don't think they are actively trying to kill DH and Enduro, but their actions seem like they are.

WB simply doesn't understand the sport and are only concerned with extracting all the money they can. 

 

The only positive change WB has made is showing junior racing. That doesn't matter much if there is nowhere for racers to go after their 2 years in junior racing. 

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11/30/2024 9:17am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2024 9:27am

2025 UCI Mountain Bike World Championships in Valais: Calendar confirmed and E-mountain bike cross-country competitions awarded to Aletsch Arena/Bellwald.

The Valais 2025 CM MTB UCI Association (Valais 2025) is preparing to host a historic event: for the first time, eight mountain bike disciplines will be held in a single region, the Valais, from 30 August to 14 September 2025.

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Competition calendar confirmed.

The official competition calendar for the 2025 UCI Mountain Bike World Championships is now set, with detailed dates available on the official valais2025.ch website. While preparations are progressing apace, the two-week event promises to be an unforgettable spectacle for mountain bike enthusiasts. In addition to the eight UCI World Championships, a festive opening weekend packed with unique entertainment will be held in Sion on 30 and 31 August, offering spectators a unique foretaste of the event.

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UCI E-Mountain Bike Cross-country World Championships awarded to Aletsch Arena/Bellwald.

The organisers of the Aletsch Arena/Bellwald races, already confirmed to host the Enduro and E-Enduro events, will also host the UCI E-Mountain Bike Cross-country World Championships in 2025. Following several site visits in collaboration with the UCI and local stakeholders, and thanks to an exceptional natural setting combined with demanding technical courses, Bellwald has emerged as an ideal venue for this high-level competition, offering athletes challenges on a par with those of the UCI World Championships.

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Philippe Sproll, Vice-president of the local organising committee and Director of Aletsch Arena AG, comments: "We are very pleased to add the organisation of the UCI E-mountain bike cross-country races to our programme, so that the Aletsch Arena/Bellwald region will be at the centre of the 2025 UCI Mountain Bike World Championships for even longer. This organisation is part of our strategy to develop mountain biking in our destination, and we look forward to welcoming the world's elite for this competition."

The UCI Enduro, E-Enduro and E-Mountain Bike World Championships will be held from 30 August to 4 September 2025, marking the start of this prestigious event.

Julien Hess, Director of Valais 2025, added: "This finalised calendar allows us to make further concrete progress in the preparations to ensure the success of these UCI World Championships, while continuing to use the remaining time and resources to build a strong and lasting legacy."

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WB/Discovery are trying to run the sport like other big money sports (mainly the many global motorsport model) - where huge registration fees apply. There's one...

WB/Discovery are trying to run the sport like other big money sports (mainly the many global motorsport model) - where huge registration fees apply. There's one tiny flaw in their plan.......MTB racing isn't awash with big money teams/ sponsors.....

I've said it elsewhere - they've made too many big changes, far too soon. It all feels rushed so they can recuperate as much money as quickly as possible. It's not going to work........

 

I don’t think it has anything to do with recouping costs.  I simply think management has their heads in the clouds inside of their sandy assholes.  Whether Chris ball is parroting his corporate masters or he’s a moron whose “vision” for the sport is so blinded by ego and money it’s pretty much the antithesis of what attracts most people to  dh racing in the first place.  How often do you hear in a pro mtbers origin story that they were involved in “x” sport till they thought it was too competitive so they commited to dh instead.


At this point I just assume the discovery era will be a wash.  And I hope somebody with the means and connections to do so is able to get the rights back.

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12/1/2024 7:12am

The enduro world champ is a monday, that's great let's have no spectators, definitly what the sport needs 🤦‍♂️

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Diag wrote:

The enduro world champ is a monday, that's great let's have no spectators, definitly what the sport needs 🤦‍♂️

An Enduro World championship should never be one race; both motorcycle Enduro World championships are over a season - as the sport has so many variables......one race isn't fair. MTB Enduro should be the same.....

But cycling has this obsession with one race for rainbow bands........It drives me mad. 

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12/2/2024 7:42am
Diag wrote:

The enduro world champ is a monday, that's great let's have no spectators, definitly what the sport needs 🤦‍♂️

An Enduro World championship should never be one race; both motorcycle Enduro World championships are over a season - as the sport has so many variables......one...

An Enduro World championship should never be one race; both motorcycle Enduro World championships are over a season - as the sport has so many variables......one race isn't fair. MTB Enduro should be the same.....

But cycling has this obsession with one race for rainbow bands........It drives me mad. 

"cycling has this obsession"

Like every other olympic sport?

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12/2/2024 1:31pm

In the new Moving the Needle podcast, Brendog said he might be helping to build one of the new 2025 DH tracks. Any word to which one? I'd assume it has to be LaThuile or Whiteface. 

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