Would You Pay to Watch More World Cup DH on Red Bull TV?

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6/1/2019 5:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/2/2019 8:10 AM

DON'T FREAK OUT AND THINK RED BULL IS TRYING TO CHARGE FOR WORLD CUP...this is all hypothetical...

Brines started this whole thing by asking "Would anyone here pay for a "season pass" (like motocross) to be able to watch a live feed of qualifying? I would. I'd pay $50 or something to watch it through the year."

It was in the race talk thread but it needed to be moved into its own thread and have a poll to see if there's any real interest. Maybe this has been discussed somewhere else or in the energy drink laboratory.

I responded that I'd definitely pay $50 for quali and why not just make it $99 for the year and have extended race day coverage (not just top 20 or whatever). I would not expect qualifying or the extended race day to have commentary. Just give me the footage to keep it easy on Warner and Claudio : ). I'd pay that all day. Would you? let's find out.

One commenter mentioned caution because Red Bull may try to clamp down on other editorial from qualifying. No one can film qualifying anyway, just practice session, so I don't see a lot happening there.

i can't edit the poll now, but i should have added a "no, keep it as is, free top 20 men and women's coverage" option to the poll. (but the poll is about paying for MORE coverage)


I would pay for more World Cup DH coverage on Red Bull TV

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6/1/2019 5:17 PM

No, just.....no

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6/1/2019 5:40 PM

No. Not enough races, camera angles suck and few races are at a reasonable hour for us in North America.

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6/1/2019 5:52 PM

I would happily pay if they brought back slalom!!

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6/1/2019 5:58 PM

Extend the race season. Produce high quality content and keep the top 20 free. I’d pay.

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6/1/2019 6:19 PM

They are already dumbing down the tracks to make it more as a show for the public and TV. If on top of that we pay to watch, forget about DH as we used to know it. Now days is just crazy speeds and couple of switchbacks. Enduro is almost more fun to watch.

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6/1/2019 7:36 PM

No way, redbull have far to much money and can't even get a live feed happening now without it going offline every race! Bring back Freecaster or Eurosport I say!

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6/1/2019 8:29 PM

The results of the poll are super interesting. It’s way more skewed than I thought it would be, with a ton of votes.

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6/1/2019 8:43 PM

I want to see more than one angle of hard/tech sections. I don’t want a lot of long straights with a ride tucked, sprinting, or long tabletops. I want to see real downhill. I can’t comprehend how hard my request is but don’t do it if that can’t be done.

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6/1/2019 9:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/1/2019 9:22 PM

Their added content sucks. They used to show the field. Now they describe what a dh track is for 20 minutes. I don't trust 'em. If that money went towards whiskey for Robb warner........

I'd pay jeff brines to type less on the internet.

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6/1/2019 10:36 PM

Yes i wan't more coverage but for a realistic price. Top 50 men and more of practice and Quali will bei great

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6/1/2019 11:55 PM

It’s a no for me.

Watching the live race feed can become somewhat repetitive. I couldn’t do it 2 days in a row.

I’m not sure about the qualifying feature they put together for Fort William either. Some vagrant interviewing riders as after they crossed the finish line got boring pretty quickly.

Vital Raw footage...amazing.
Vital slideshows...amazing.
Dumbed down commercial content..nah.

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6/2/2019 12:23 AM

I be happy to pay for more content.. Add a few more cameras along the track too!

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6/2/2019 12:27 AM

NOPE
not ever, I all ready pay £40 a month for internet service! With that, ALL content should be free. Let the fat fucks that drink redbull pay for our free coverage

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6/2/2019 1:48 AM

kidwoo wrote:

Their added content sucks. They used to show the field. Now they describe what a dh track is for 20 minutes. I don't trust 'em. If that money went towards whiskey for Robb warner........

I'd pay jeff brines to type less on the internet.

I wholeheartedly agree. The whole broadcast is starting to feel like off the shelf "professional" sport broadcast package... no soul or passion in it. It's becoming cringeworthy at best. I just wait for the re-runs to cut out all the "bonus features from RB"

It's so mediocre that "amateurs" like Ben Cathro virtually on a no-budget with heavy restrictions provides better coverage and insights than "professionals".

I much welcome the Gee track previous, which are a real improvement over constant fake screaming that we used to get beforehand...

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6/2/2019 1:59 AM

These days I usually catch the last 10 riders only, and often get screwed over by the UCI starting order as I miss the winning run :/
Way prefer raw and vital slideshows (I don't really bother with the other website's slideshows, I need that sweet audio overlay)

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6/2/2019 2:54 AM

I would pay for more cameras down the track that cover as many of the good bits as possible. They don't need to be manned, bolt them to a tree!
I think Red Bull do a really good job now, especially as it is free! I don't understand people that slag it off. I come from an era of no coverage for anything I liked. Sign of times?

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6/2/2019 7:46 AM

What would the fee be used for?
Increased prize money as a primary objective, coupled with increased venues, better coverage etc? There has to be a better value option on the table to the viewers than simply paying for the current state of affairs.

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6/2/2019 7:58 AM

mwolpin wrote:

No. Not enough races, camera angles suck and few races are at a reasonable hour for us in North America.

This. Not paying to wake up at 4:30-5am. Especially for Red Bull media. More races a year, more in the America’s, and a more stable platform to watch it on than red bull media player (which has gotten better, but still sucks in reality). All of that, and I’d consider paying $50.

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6/2/2019 8:04 AM

Capricorn wrote:

What would the fee be used for?
Increased prize money as a primary objective, coupled with increased venues, better coverage etc? There has to be a better value option on the table to the viewers than simply paying for the current state of affairs.

as the original post and title mentioned, more coverage - extended coverage of race (all riders and classes) and/or qualifying coverage too.

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6/2/2019 8:10 AM

id pay to have more EWS coverage for sure, imagine being able to hook into your chosen rider and watch their full race runs POV and you can choose who you want when you want them.

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6/2/2019 10:53 AM

I would pay to have access to full replays of all past year races. I want to be able to watch past races in the off season, like when I am working out at home.

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6/2/2019 11:40 AM

i dont even need more coverage but i would definitely pay to see more camera angles and qualifying - Im going to hijack your thread topic though because I'd literally pay to see the sport go to different tracks and have at least 10 races.

How about a system where the riders vote on the top 3 or 4 tracks based on race atmosphere and the track itself, a blind poll of all racers who qualify for any UCI DH final that year. Then we go back to those top 3 secure in the knowledge that even if we see the same stuff year after year after year, at least those tracks were the favorites of the riders themselves. Then we get to see a bunch of new and different tracks each year, expanding the scope of the sport and making the overall series more open. Knowing that 6/7 of the venues have to be different, the UCI could prepare the deals with those venues far in advance.

Losinj was so fun last year! I was so excited for Maribor this year because it was familiar but new to many of the riders and it was a great track! Fort William is a beast and I'm sure we would continue to be there because of the number of british riders who qualify for WC finals and how many seem to enjoy/respect it. But you know what im not that excited about? Leogang. Really i just want to go back to schladming. Ive never gotten over it.

(Yes i know its all about money and that putting on a WC isnt necessarily lucrative for the venue which makes new venues even harder to set up but still - i want some change. I'm so bored with the same camera angles of the same corners. Shoutout to the new muddy woods section at ft william and red bull for at least having a camera on a new track section.)

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6/2/2019 1:47 PM

I wouldn’t pay for more coverage of the race there is plenty enough. I would only pay if they added more races that what we want and new tracks. EWS has it right with varying locations and type of tracks

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6/2/2019 2:43 PM

Hell yeah. Already got my Gold pass for moto. Would love more coverage here. Great for the sport and great for the businesses investing that to continue helping elevate the sport we love to a new level. Not He’ll yeah but fuck yeah. Things like this cost money either appreciate that businesses need to have profitable business plans and structure to supply you what you love or act like another entitled chin strap. I’ll be happy for more comprehensive coverage. If your bitching - work harder and save your money. The free stream still exist.

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6/2/2019 5:25 PM

That's a hard pass

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6/2/2019 6:08 PM

I miss Freecaster real live DH race with more than one rider on track

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6/2/2019 11:52 PM

1. I cannot vote as i do not agree with any of the options given above.
2. I surely watch the whole free webcast, but anybody knows that all the action comes down to the last 10 riders or so..(most of the times).
3. The only benefit i would see in extending the coverage, would be for younger riders to get a chance to get in the final show, but after all, its a tough sport and those who put down consistent work will rise at some point.
4. No one would sit on a couch/computer/whatever and watch a 3-4 hour show.
5. Most of the times, top qualifying runs are shown on finals day on RedBull TV. Why would you wanna see more than the top qualifying runs?
6. Vital RAW and other RAW videos out there are perfectly showcasing the parts of the track that you might never see on tv.
7. RedBull, please put a few more cameras on track, and show to the rest of the world the real, gnarly, downhill sections that might actually increase your audience, and showcase the true talent, skills and hard work that downhill athletes put down to test!

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6/2/2019 11:55 PM

I would pay to kick Red Bull out of the loop. I think it's really unhealthy to MTB to depend so much on an external private company. Obviously, Red Bull is doing amazing to develop the sport and their athletes but keep in mind their motivation is not to improve the sport, the viewership and the athlete experience but to maximize their exposure. We've seen many times how RB has a predatory and aggressive behavior, the influence the rules and the race formats.. I don't think it's sustainable.. What if Red Bull will collapse or will lose interest in mtb.
I would rather finance my local federation IF they would do a good job of promoting athletes and the sport.
I think the UCI should produce (at least finance) the show and they should get money from whatever channel willing to broadcast this amazing content,,,

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6/3/2019 3:33 AM

As far as I am concerned, things are like this: I would pay the full 99 USD, if that was the only option. Even if I live in rather poor country and it's probably more of an effort than for people who have normal wages in Western countries. Why? Because it's my favourite sport in the world. And because I'm already paying those bucks for my second favorite sport in he world, basketball. NBA League Pass has brought me a lot of joy and quality broadcasting.

But at the same time, I do hope it stays free, because that company is really making money out of water and they already have a system that works like this, so I assume it shouldn't be a problem. But, like someone said before, the grip that company has upon our sport is starting to become worrying.

As for local federations...Come on, man, in these federations road cycling is and will be king and they don't give a rat's ass about gravity riding, as we have seen oh-so-many-times!

Mx

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