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TRex TRex
10/14/2021 6:58 AM

I didn't want it to end this way, but this is the way it happened. I'm picky about my brakes, and I've been searching for a good setup for a while. I liked the Codes just fine, but there is a lot of lever throw for my preference. I've been able to shorten the throw of the brakes, but it would inevitably reset back to normal after a few rides. I wanted more power and shorter throw. I'd heard of Magura's performance for a few years, and decided to try the MT7's. The power was awesome. Lever throw was good enough for me, and I was happy for a few years. Despite good performance, I never liked the lever though, seemed like it was bolted on with wood screws and the pad contact adjust was basically worthless to me. But it worked, with great power and no hiccups.

Then earlier this year one of my levers just lots a ton of fluid, the bladder went bad. I tried to get parts for it, but nothing was available, and I was stuck looking for a whole replacement lever. I'd heard of someone putting Shimano levers on Magura's, and I looked into it a bit, a friend from the area recommended it, and so I went for it. I couldn't even get SLX or XT levers due to the earlier mentioned Covid parts difficulty. So why not try something new with the most expensive option? Sigh. I got the 9120 version of the XTR lever as it says it is made for four pistons and has more power, and a few new features like the bar brace that I thought made sense.

I cut the Magura line at the lever, put those levers in a box. I used Shimano olives and barbs and the Shimano threaded nut that goes over the hose. Everything went together and seemed to fit right. I bled the system and it worked. I was hoping this was the case, but it still surprised me. Then I rode it, and HOLY COW the power. The brakes are even more powerful than before, and the throw is the shortest I've ever used. They don't even drag, I'm kinda stunned, but also happy. I love how they work. And the Shimano lever seems about 1000 times higher quality too.

If anyone else is interested, it worked just fine for me, and I'm sure it isn't recommended by anyone officially, but boy does it work well out on the trails. So much so that I downsized rotors, which I've never done before. Photo
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BHowell BHowell
10/14/2021 7:10 AM

Wentz just shared this tidbit regarding the SRAM rotors as well:

"I had only old rotors that were 180 sized, so since I downsized rotors it was all I had for the rear of the bike. I got a 200 front to match so it didn’t look weird with a centerline and G3 or whatever it is. 200 front 180 rear is just fine with my mullet setup."

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Edthorne Edthorne
10/14/2021 7:13 AM

That's a cool brake set up, I'd be interested in giving that a go. Love the Patrol BTW, such a rad bike.

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fartsack fartsack
10/14/2021 7:20 AM

friend of mine used to ride it. horrible setup absolutely no modulation

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Primoz Primoz
10/14/2021 7:36 AM
fartsack wrote:

friend of mine used to ...more

Some people prefer that to the feel you get from Sram brakes. Different folks, different strokes.

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EugenM EugenM
10/14/2021 7:36 AM

if you ask a bike mechanic, he will say the proper combo are the x100 brake levers and not x120 levers, be it, deore, slx, xt or xtr. I got the levers(m8100) and the mt7 calipers are on their way so, I guess I'll soon find out. 🙄🤷🏿‍♂️

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TRex TRex
10/14/2021 7:47 AM
fartsack wrote:

friend of mine used to ...more

This is true, but I would change one word. For me, it is “Wonderful setup, absolutely no modulation.” I got used to it fast, and I’m not saying it is right, but it is what I prefer.

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pau668 pau668
10/14/2021 7:52 AM

Hi everyone, i used "shigura" brakes in the previous cannondale moterra 2020, with levers xt 8120 and magura mt5 calipers and it work perfectly, tons of braking power and modulation

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Erwan_Ghesquiere Erwan_Ghesquiere
10/14/2021 8:11 AM

Basically throwing a Shimano lever on any brake running mineral oil and it will give extra power and less modulation. This is due to the servowave cams that multiply the force applied from the lever to the master cylinder piston. More pressure, more braking. I did this trick on a set or TRP, and Tektros as well, and it worked a treat each time, but since I like low modulation brakes this was a win win to me.

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gvasvari gvasvari
10/14/2021 8:18 AM
fartsack wrote:

friend of mine used to ...more

That's not true. I had Cura 2-pot brakes those were more "on-off" than these, had great power but faded quick.

I have a similar setup MT7+XTR setup and also an MT5+XT both setup with Goodridge hoses. (I also ran MT5+SLX for a while but messed the bladder up with vacuum bleeding). The MT7 is paired with 220mm rotors and 27,5x4,5" tires on an all season fatbike, the MT5 has 200mm rotors and 29x2,35" tires on an enduro bike. Both brakes are great, never lost grip on sand, mud, snow, steep and loose due to the lack of modulation.

I had a Sram Guide RSC in the past and liked its modulation but wanted more power.
I mentioned the Cure above, I had those on a winter time hardtail. Needed a whole ride to get used to them but after that there was no problem in slippery conditions either.
I had the MT7 with HC3 levers then (never tried the stock levers) and liked them very much.
When I needed another brake I wanted to try the Shigura combo so I bought az MT5 set and a pair of SLX levers. They felt so great that I also swapped the lever on the MT7. I think the most notable difference is the servo-wave action besides the lever ergonomics (shape and size) which makes them so great.

To sum it up I think you can get used to a broad range of modulation (lever pull/piston advance ratio) without noticing. Yes the first time might be weird if you were on a very different setup but that's all.

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millsr4 millsr4
10/14/2021 8:18 AM

I've heard this will help with the wandering bite point that the Shimano levers are notorious for. Thoughts? I also heard that simply using a lower viscosity oil can solve the bite point issue without changing the calipers... I'm currently using SLX M7100 levers with Deore M4100 calipers and I love the feel other than the wandering bite point...

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gvasvari gvasvari
10/14/2021 8:23 AM
millsr4 wrote:

I've heard this will help ...more

Haven't tried everything, but with these: 7100, 8100, 9120 levers with MT5 and MT7 calipers, Goodridge hoses, Danico Biotech oil there is no wandering bite point ever in any conditions.
(I also had an older 7xx XT brake set so I think I know your pain ;-) )

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Big Bird Big Bird
10/14/2021 8:38 AM

Ali Clarkson made a YouTube video about doing this a while ago. He liked it.

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Eoin Eoin
10/14/2021 8:39 AM

I can't really contribute to the conversation... But I will say Galfer 220 discs with Codes is a great upgrade, not necessarily for the extra power, but they are so thick they reduce the SRAM lever throw and actually make the levers feel pretty good. (very hard not to have brake rub though)

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jonkranked jonkranked
10/14/2021 9:05 AM

dangit... thanks for rekindling my interest in doing this.

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vweb vweb
10/14/2021 9:05 AM

Shimano Zee levers, Magura MT5 calipers, Trickstuff BrakePower pads for me. Downsized the front rotor too, I was not fast enough to use the full power of my 220mm front brake.

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Samsquatch Samsquatch
10/14/2021 9:12 AM

"If anyone else is interested, it worked just fine for me, and I'm sure it isn't recommended by anyone officially, but boy does it work well out on the trails. So much so that I downsized rotors, which I've never done before."

I ran the same setup for a while (but with Magura rotors) and I also had no issues. They seemed to go through brake pads fast, that was my only complaint. Loved the huge amount of power. They were super short throw at the lever but I still felt like they had good modulation, it was just over a really small window. Once you got used to them it was great. I kept the big rotors, but I tried the lower friction "comfort" blue pads towards the end for even more modulation and to see if the pads would last longer. I might put them back on to try again, but I've been pretty happy with my TRP DH-R EVOs.

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mcozzy mcozzy
10/14/2021 10:14 AM

The Magura pin is more suitable than the Shimano one I recall as Shimano hose ID is 2.1mm and Magura hose 2.2mm.
That said I've used pins and olives from both with no issues. Don't forget the rubber nut covers!
EDIT you can sell the leaky levers on eBay for good money as ham fisted people strip the expense bleed screws.

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tabletop84 tabletop84
10/14/2021 10:50 AM

Shigura is old news. I recommend putoline oil for wandering bite point issue and if you wanna know more about pin/hose/oil combinations translate this thread: Photo

https://www.mtb-news.de/forum/t/magura-mt7-mit-shimano-xtr-trail-hebeln.751103/

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millsr4 millsr4
10/14/2021 11:16 AM

Would that be the clutch fluid from Putoline? From my quick search it looks like all their brake fluid is DOT rather than mineral oil. Also, anyone know if we can actually get this stuff in the USA? I'm either seeing that they won't ship here or there is a $40 shipping charge.

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ryan_daugherty ryan_daugherty
10/14/2021 11:33 AM
Eoin wrote:

I can't really contribute ...more

Same experience here

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tabletop84 tabletop84
10/14/2021 11:57 AM
millsr4 wrote:

Would that be the clutch ...more

it's the fork oil:

https://www.putoline.com/de/produktkatalog/product/371/hpx-r-25w/1735/

it has thinner viscosity than shimano mineral oil

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rludes025 rludes025
10/14/2021 12:40 PM

Been there, done that. It still has the wandering bite point but at least the calipers don't leak. I realize for some this doesn't matter.

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Whattheheel Whattheheel
10/14/2021 2:21 PM
Eoin wrote:

I can't really contribute ...more

Put a set of 180mm Galfer floating rotors and their extreme pads to a set of Guides that I have had forever and holy transformation!! Completely different set of brakes with the ability to lock them up when needed and ability to scrub just a little speed if needed. Just bug the Galfer Bike account on Insta and he'll hook it up big time!! Love you Daryl!!!

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bizutch bizutch
10/14/2021 5:42 PM

I'm still in love with the fact that most mid-grade mountain bike brakes stop the bike.

Signed - DH with cantilevers

Trouble Maker. Here to spit truth in the form of sarcasm.

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Big Bird Big Bird
10/14/2021 6:08 PM
bizutch wrote:

I'm still in love with the ...more

Don't you pine for the four finger braking days? I figured that I was a better rider than most because I could hold onto the bars with my thumb and forefinger and do my braking with only three. Never quite went pro...

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nollak nollak
10/14/2021 10:13 PM

Running a similar setup for 5 years with Saint levers and MT5 calipers. Used to run them with Magura rotors and now switched to Trickstuff rotors. Altough I have to test them properly first impressions are good.

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qblambda qblambda
10/14/2021 11:52 PM

If you don't mind the price tag, Trickstuff offer good amount of power, smaller free-stroke and better modulation than a Shigura setup.
Once tried them I could never go back or like something else. Not the same opinion from my wallet tho.

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Nzdinosaur Nzdinosaur
10/15/2021 12:00 AM

Qblambda just beat me too it.
The only downside of trickstuff (apart from the 15month wait) is that all other brakes are shit afterwards. Really shit. I was lucky to get a used pair and they stop like nothing else with more power you can dream of, loads of modulation and almost no lever throw. Less than half lever travel of other brakes. Maybe 5mm.
All the parts are cheap, fully rebuildable etc

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tabletop84 tabletop84
10/15/2021 2:43 AM

Shigura has more power than trickstuff

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