How Much Reach is Too Much Reach?

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8/11/2019 2:12 AM

Genuine question or just a jab at the general content of the posts in the thread?

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8/11/2019 11:12 AM

Angus_Jackson wrote:

Can someone critique my bike reach (XL carbine - 470mm reach)? By the sounds of this thread my 193cm needs 500mm+ reach to be up to date. whatever that means?

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193cm tall and 470mm reach!!! Wow!
It depends on whether or not you want to ride more centered and/or if you want to run a shorter stem. If yes then yeah you could add 50-60mm of reach. If you are happy riding off the back then just stick with what you have. However, longer reach will also improve climbing if that matters to you.

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8/11/2019 1:03 PM

Primoz wrote:

@jeff.brines if you value downhill performance and ripping so much and can make almost any bike work pedalling up and optimized stroke being the key to uphill performance, why do you ride an enduro bike? Why not just ride a full on DH rig? It will cover everything you need. It will absolutely rip going down and for going up it seems you will make it work.

(Yeah, i'm really trying to be a jerk here, but it kinda proves my point i'd say.)

Lol.

It proves nothing.

People aren't buying bikes with 64 deg HTAs, 160mm+ travel and dampers that have as much technology as a top tier rally car to "value uphill performance".

I ride an enduro bike because I race enduro (shocking). As a racer, I know I need to value downhill performance far more than uphill performance. Its simple really, one part of the ride I'm timed on, the other I'm not.

I'm also not alone. Any racer I know skews their entire bike toward DH performance. At a point, it becomes "too much", eg, weight over 40 pounds, tires that roll like shit etc. But if there is one place we're all willing to sacrifice for the descent its geometry.

The irony however is I think we are all learning what works going downhill also works pretty well going uphill...

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8/12/2019 10:10 PM

Knolly just amped up the reach game on their new 2020 bikes.

Small: 452
Medium: 475.5
Large: 500
X-Large: 520

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8/13/2019 4:38 AM

Verbl Kint wrote:

Knolly just amped up the reach game on their new 2020 bikes.

Small: 452
Medium: 475.5
Large: 500
X-Large: 520

Hope they have also shortened their seat tube lengths. I would like to see more bikes with 450mm seat tube lengths and +500mm reach.

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8/13/2019 7:07 AM

They ramped up their reach game. For XL sizing their bikes just about got useable.

Though i would still like to see their actual seat tube angle. It kind of appears they steepened it up just a bit. But still, such slackness (at least they went 77+ on the virtual angle...)

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9/12/2019 7:45 AM

Skerby wrote:

Has anyone downsized for back pain reasons? Im 5'10" riding an old XL patrol, 1245 WB, reasonably short ETT. I love it but my back is messed up. I have been riding this bike for about a year, stepped up from a large frame, and I can go really really fast on it but my back is killing me.

I go to phys therapy and I do a lot of stretches/workouts but still not really sure what I need to do / what actually works. I've had back pain since i was around 16, almost 30 now. I have my seat slammed forward and I roll the bars back in a 40mm stem to get them close as possible for climbing.

My goal is to ride everyday, I've been trying to achieve this for 3 years now, average ride is 1000-3000 ft. Last week my back finally felt good, like didnt hurt at all, I hit the bikes so hard and rode perfectly for 7 straight days. Come day 8, Im inexplicably destroyed and I haven't been able to really ride for 3 days, bummed! Im in the best shape of my life and not overweight, Im sure i have massive muscle imbalances though.

TL;DR: Will a shorter frame make my back hurt less often? It's hard to ride with back pain, it tightens everything and limits my movement.



So, pulled the trigger on a shorter bike and Im stoked. I lost about an inch of wheelbase and I think over an inch of ETT, reach maybe is half an inch shorter. Back feels much better, can power through the end of climbs without muscles tightening up and slowing me down. On top of that, the smaller bike does not feel short/sketchy at all. I think its even more stable than my XL patrol was.
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