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Primoz Primoz
10/14/2020 10:41 AM
LLLLL wrote:

Apparently spec only sell ...more

Urlpls. Seriously. There was talk of 50 enduro bikes for every DH bikes sold from 'one of the big brands in the industry' quite a while ago, but 500?? Worldwide?! That's insane, seriously. I mean I see no point in owning a DH bike (when my trail/enduro/whatever-that-pedals can do bikeparks), but I didn't think it's THAT bad.

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jonkranked jonkranked
10/14/2020 10:42 AM
Primoz wrote:

With talk about Danny ...more

Karabuka wrote:

Well the bikes used to be ...more

Primoz wrote:

That's hust the key, if ...more

see my point above re: UCI rules. there's a 12 month timeframe you can race a bike without it being for sale to the public before you have to start selling it or stop racing it.

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Primoz Primoz
10/14/2020 10:45 AM

Was just about to comment on that, isn't that only for road bikes? Because what makes a bike a prototype then? Minnaar's custom dropouts? Saracen's brake link? Etc.

Road bikes are limited I think in wheel size, they have to have a double diamond frame, the tube cross sections are defined to prevent them being too aero, there are limitations as to the position of the handlebars relating to some other point on the bike, etc. Some of these might be for time trial, but triathlon bikes are MUCH looser when it comes to regs and it shows, those things are wild.

EDIT: seems this covers all disciplines. But...

"Upon an order being placed, the order shall be
confirmed within 30 days and the relevant equipment shall be made available for delivery
within a further 90-day deadline. In addition, the retail price of the equipment shall be
publicly advertised, shall not render the equipment de facto unavailable to the general
public and shall not unreasonably exceed the market value for equipment of a similar
standard."

Nobody said anything about the number of bikes being sold. And what is unreasonable? If you have the chance to buy for example a fully custom DH bike, developed 'just for you'? Unno is selling 5k € carbon frames, to me a fully custom bike from a big brand for 10k is far from unreasonable, when only say 20 are existing in the world. Or if there are only 5?

Remember the GT class of Le Mans. There were two Nissan R390s made, one was sold to a Japanese Nissan collector, the other is in Nissans' warehouse. Same for Toyota GT-One, the sole example is in Cologne in the TMG factory. And the trunk that was required by the rules 'doubles' as the fuel tank (it's big enough to fit a suitcase, if you can get it in of course). There are something like 20 911 GT1 Straßenversions and/or AMG GTRs out there. Lancia supposedly showed half the cars of the Delta S4 to the FIA commissars in one location, took them to lunch and showed 'the other half' in another location. Peugot supposedly doctored the pictures showing the ~300 cars they needed for the 205 T16 to be valid for racing. BMW made 3 M3 GTRs (E46 version with a racing V8 engine) where allt three are also supposedly in Munich in one of the cellars. And so on. In motoracing this is called a homologation special smile

I can assure you, I have no need for a DH bike, but a homologation special? Well that's damn interesting! smile
The 303-DH bikes from Yeti are still pure porn just because they have rails smile

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jonkranked jonkranked
10/14/2020 10:57 AM
Primoz wrote:

Was just about to comment ...more

no, that's from the general organization section of the regulations, so it applies to all cycling disciplines (including BMX and trials).

regarding things like custom links, dropouts, etc - the regulations aren't explicitly clear about that, but i would venture a guess there's some leeway there as those are being used on frames that are commercially available - as opposed to c'dale bike which was a full prototype. and some of these items are to adjust the sizing of the bike itself (for taller guys like Greg), it may be implied that size variations are allowed as long as its a commercially available model. for things like the links to adjust suspension rates, that may still fall under the prototype provision.

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jonkranked jonkranked
10/14/2020 11:07 AM

forgot to add: for things like links, dropouts, floating brakes, its definitely a gray area.

also - i wonder how they initially handled the Atherton bikes brand since a lot of those are custom, but the same customizations are now commercially available for sale.

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Primoz Primoz
10/14/2020 11:11 AM

Well if a link is a proto, the dropouts are too. Gray area is a good point, after all, Bruni was riding proto brake levers for quite a while too.

As for Atherton bikes, forget the racing, what I'm wondering is how can they sell them all custom like that. How do they get all the ISO/EN/CE certification when it's possible for not even 2 bikes to be the same?

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jonkranked jonkranked
10/14/2020 11:25 AM
Primoz wrote:

Well if a link is a proto, ...more

in my line of work a common approach that's utilized is called bookending - we'll test/validate at the lower & upper limits of pertinent product features/parameters (such as geometry & size) - ie the worst cases - and rationalize not having to test the sizes in between based on having tested the lower and upper extremes. this is approach is commonly accepted by regulatory bodies and standards organizations (like ISO, etc).

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pimpin gimp pimpin gimp
10/14/2020 11:56 AM
danposs86 wrote:

I like how people are ...more

stoic_machine wrote:

Could be a new SUNN DH ...more

andrew.macnaughton wrote:

what about Radon?

And then 6 months later he decides racing isn’t for him?

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Johnboy Johnboy
10/14/2020 2:10 PM

Back to back to back World Cups/Worlds and now 2021 team rumours. Yeaaahh.

This year finally delivering some mtb goodness

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That-Norco-Dude That-Norco-Dude
10/14/2020 6:59 PM

Hart to Merida

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Kusa Kusa
10/14/2020 8:20 PM
That-Norco-Dude wrote:

Hart to Merida

Oh please not this again.

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Verbl Kint Verbl Kint
10/14/2020 9:08 PM
That-Norco-Dude wrote:

Hart to Merida

Kusa wrote:

Oh please not this again.

We haven't seen any Haro or Schwinn or Iron Horse or Honda or {insert random brand} team rumors yet. laughing

Besides, it's only been 3 pages. cool

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Primoz Primoz
10/14/2020 10:19 PM

'Oh please not this again' were exactly my thoughts...

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Brian_Peterson Brian_Peterson
10/15/2020 12:14 AM
Primoz wrote:

Urlpls. Seriously. There ...more

Fir a lot of people, that Enduro bike is a one bike quiver... DH bikes are a small niche in a niche market..

I would guess that 500 to 1 ratio is off, too... I bet it's even more..

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Primoz Primoz
10/15/2020 12:17 AM

It was 50 to 1 and it was a few years ago, the 500 number is a total sales number for all (DH) bikes in a year. That ratio would make 25000 bikes in a year, which is far from enough trail bikes sold for a brand like Specialized.

Boy I really want to see some concrete numbers regarding this, this is way too unsure and the numbers too wild to take it at face value...

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harorider13 harorider13
10/15/2020 9:36 AM

BMX Legend Nigel Sylvester has officially signed with Specialized... will he race an EWS or World Cup? Throw some bar spins at a Crankworx?! Only time will tell

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGXs_BJnkDo/?igshid=cn9xdjmir1va

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Karabuka Karabuka
10/16/2020 5:51 AM

Wow, Warner just threw some rumor bombs on the Maribor WC stream, Vergier off syndicate and to Trek, Willson might not even stay with Trek and Hart to "square" brand, sounds like polygon. Said that during the Mark Wallaces run if somebody wants to be sure!

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bermslapper69 bermslapper69
10/16/2020 5:57 AM
Karabuka wrote:

Wow, Warner just threw ...more

Square brand could also be cube

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Karabuka Karabuka
10/16/2020 6:39 AM
bermslapper69 wrote:

Square brand could also be ...more

Damn, you are right... I feel like cube really wants to do well in DH and while Atwill is one of my overall favorite riders with amazing skills, the race results are simply not there...

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EugenM EugenM
10/16/2020 7:06 AM
Karabuka wrote:

Wow, Warner just threw ...more

bermslapper69 wrote:

Square brand could also be ...more

Karabuka wrote:

Damn, you are right... I ...more

Cube would probably give everthing to get rid off the image they currently have, aka, bikes for Joeys; bling components, bad kinematics, bad geometry, poor quality. As long as any of the last 3 will not change, and they will not, as they are cheap effs and go all in for profit, only the mentally challenged riders will go for this brand.

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MPH24 MPH24
10/16/2020 9:10 AM
Karabuka wrote:

Wow, Warner just threw ...more

Damn. Surprising. Loris seemed to be going well and and vibing well with the Syndicate. Trek must be dropping a big bag

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dolface dolface
10/16/2020 9:27 AM
MPH24 wrote:

Damn. Surprising. Loris ...more

I thought the same but then remembered that he left Lapierre to get out from under Bruni's shadow. If Minnaar hasn't made plans to retire I can see Vergier wanting to move somewhere he can be top dog.

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metadave metadave
10/16/2020 10:18 AM
bermslapper69 wrote:

Square brand could also be ...more

Karabuka wrote:

Damn, you are right... I ...more

EugenM wrote:

Cube would probably give ...more

Did they kick your dog or kiss your girl or something lol. Your just all hate all the time.

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MPH24 MPH24
10/16/2020 10:18 AM
dolface wrote:

I thought the same but ...more

Fair point

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EugenM EugenM
10/16/2020 10:26 AM
Karabuka wrote:

Damn, you are right... I ...more

EugenM wrote:

Cube would probably give ...more

metadave wrote:

Did they kick your dog or ...more

My love for Cube is endless! blush

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Philip_Rossetti Philip_Rossetti
10/16/2020 11:13 AM
Karabuka wrote:

Wow, Warner just threw ...more

But how will loris annoy jordi? Trek is on Rockshox so no jordi sad

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trexyz trexyz
10/16/2020 12:04 PM

Tbh I don’t see Loris leaving SCS, I think Rob is messing with us. From team videos looks like they have a lot of fun together. The bike works great for Loris and now they have the mullet...And like Philip said: Trek is on RockShox and Loris and Jordi are good friends ( I think only Jordi can interpret the feedback from Loris smile) )

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sharpy212 sharpy212
10/16/2020 12:21 PM

Well if Loris has decided to move on, I hope he hasn’t finalised his fees...... because after a run like that, he worth big bucks! #pro#doe#yo

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Dickscruttock Dickscruttock
10/16/2020 2:19 PM

Vergier on Trek, Hart to Cube in 2021, just waiting on the press releases.

Hart has wanted out of Saracen for a long time.

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Brian_Peterson Brian_Peterson
10/16/2020 2:42 PM

Wilson off Trek would be an interesting move.. Maybe that talk started be he won Worlds... That win would almost definitely start new negotiations unless he already signed with someone else.. I think Trek might step up on the paycheck to keep the stripes... If the bring in Loris too, it could be an indication that Trek is getting serious about getting some DH wins..

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