Yeah, I got the impression it was a price point, not a performance thing
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would...
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
Yeah, I got the impression it was a price point, not a performance thing
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would...
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
I did notice he was running the x2 on the dh bike for the last 2 races. I messaged them and asked about that and they actually changed the linkage to make it a bit less progressive so he could run the x2 instead of the coil. They said the main reason he did that was because he wanted more bottom out resistance and more support than the dhx. They changed the linkage so that he would still get the sensitivity off the top but with the extra bottom out of the air shock. I dont know how many volume spacers hes running in it though or what they changed the progression ratio to
I think the float x was also partially for more versatility than the x2. Its probably a bit better on the mellower trails than the x2 and still has plenty in it for park riding and dh trails.
I know a few fast people who are on the DHX/Float X for DH use.
The story I’ve heard is that it’s cheap, reliable and responds very well to retuning. It has less external adjustability than an X2, but if it’s tuned for you that doesn’t really matter.
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot...
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
How similar are Fox's X and X2 dampers? The SDLX and Vivid have very similar dampers so the difference there is mostly in tuning the air spring.
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot...
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot...
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
Different from a tuning perspective. Out of the box, not very different for an average rider.A well tuned shock of any variant will always beat an un-tuned...
Different from a tuning perspective.
Out of the box, not very different for an average rider.
A well tuned shock of any variant will always beat an un-tuned shock of another design.
Ones twin tube (X2) one is monotube. If you want to learn more id go watch this video:
Neko mentioned working with Fox and having good results with monotube shocks in the enduro frame launch vid and I didn’t really know what that meant. Today I learned a new thing, but damn if it wont take me good long while to fully understand it
Looks like Spec launched new colors for the Turbo Levo SL and more interesting they also quietly launched a new Genie Float X. Basically a Genie with an extra Reservoir.
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air but it gets noticeably hot on long descents and changes feel. This might have fixed that.
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air...
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air but it gets noticeably hot on long descents and changes feel. This might have fixed that.
Yeah but how else are they going to differentiate the stumpy 15 from the stumpy 15 evo?
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air...
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air but it gets noticeably hot on long descents and changes feel. This might have fixed that.
Yeah but how else are they going to differentiate the stumpy 15 from the stumpy 15 evo?
if they actually do an evo version, might just be a buildkit that comes with that shock i guess, still curious why not going with the piggy back design on the stumpy tho
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot...
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
The real hack is to pickup the linear XL can for the new SDU. Did that on my 160mm enduro bike and added significantly better sensitivity whilst not having to run a comically large shock. I'm only 165 lb's suited up but I ride fairly aggressively and even over full park runs I haven't been able overheat the thing. Rode an X2 prior to that and have been able to briefly ride a couple Vivids, would buy for a DH rig but don't think it's worth the $$$/weight on anything meant to go uphill.
Fox Genie fork incoming? AKA a fork with a larger air spring and piston.
The other site has an article on the Genie-equiped Levo SL, and they write "Word is a fork equivalent on the dual-stage air spring is under development."
Fox Genie fork incoming? AKA a fork with a larger air spring and piston.The other site has an article on the Genie-equiped Levo SL, and they...
Fox Genie fork incoming? AKA a fork with a larger air spring and piston.
The other site has an article on the Genie-equiped Levo SL, and they write "Word is a fork equivalent on the dual-stage air spring is under development."
I imagine it would be fairly easy to implement if you started with a twin tube air spring design like the 38.
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air...
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air but it gets noticeably hot on long descents and changes feel. This might have fixed that.
if they actually do an evo version, might just be a buildkit that comes with that shock i guess, still curious why not going with the...
if they actually do an evo version, might just be a buildkit that comes with that shock i guess, still curious why not going with the piggy back design on the stumpy tho
Sorry, I missed the “if” part of your post.
A speci rep said in an interview that they were saving the Evo name for a bike that really lived up to the title. Obviously they would hold back the piggyback for that bike. Overall it will be a heavier build, maybe different kinematics?!? So they are going to want to make the reg stumpy seem lighter and more trail by comparison.
The people want a €3.6k metal bike with deore and xfusion?
Pretty much inline with Spesh pricing for a while now. My 2014 enduro AL with rubbish parts was over 3k.
7k for a levo SL frame is blowing my mind though.
Can only imagine how expensive and poorly equipped the new Levo's will be, apparently the release has been pushed back again, might be quite outdated by the time they announce it.
The biggest problem with rubbish parts is the rubbish shock that is mostly a big pain to upgrade due to the size and tune that you need to match to the bike.
Too bad Gabel Profi went under, back in the day you could get any single part for Rock Shox shocks and even have a custom valves shock ordered for not much premium over an otherwise off the shelf shock.
Im not too sure because for rockshox they spec a vivid and ohlins is a ttx coil. How much money do you think an x2 would add over a float x? Looks like a 100 dollar price difference. Theres gotta be more of a reason to it than making the frame 4000 vs 4100. I really think they wanted to keep the float x and tuned specifically for their frame for it being a simpler shock with less adjustments to keep it easier for the end user to get the bike feeling good. He also said something about that in the video too.
Heres what it has on the frameworks site but for dhx vs dhx2 :
Working closely with Fox, we were able to develop a custom tune for our kinematics that gave us the numbers we were looking for in the simpler monotube shock. The adjustment range is smaller than the DHX2, but still gives us a wider window of adjustment than we have used. Neko and Asa raced with this shock the second half of the season.
A lot of folks are favoring the float x over the x2 on their enduro bikes. Same thing over in rockshox land, there are a lot of riders who don’t see any benefit to running a vivid over an sdu. When you look at how people are running the big shocks it seems like they have to stuff them full of tokens, which then defeats the point of running a big shock. I guess you can get a little more control through the real rough sections but I don’t know first hand because I can’t fit an x2 on my bike. Hoping to try a vivid to see how much of a difference it makes…
I did notice he was running the x2 on the dh bike for the last 2 races. I messaged them and asked about that and they actually changed the linkage to make it a bit less progressive so he could run the x2 instead of the coil. They said the main reason he did that was because he wanted more bottom out resistance and more support than the dhx. They changed the linkage so that he would still get the sensitivity off the top but with the extra bottom out of the air shock. I dont know how many volume spacers hes running in it though or what they changed the progression ratio to
I think the float x was also partially for more versatility than the x2. Its probably a bit better on the mellower trails than the x2 and still has plenty in it for park riding and dh trails.
Im still considering getting an x2 to try on mine and have that and the float x. Probably eventually try a coil on it as well.
I know a few fast people who are on the DHX/Float X for DH use.
The story I’ve heard is that it’s cheap, reliable and responds very well to retuning. It has less external adjustability than an X2, but if it’s tuned for you that doesn’t really matter.
How similar are Fox's X and X2 dampers? The SDLX and Vivid have very similar dampers so the difference there is mostly in tuning the air spring.
Different from a tuning perspective.
Out of the box, not very different for an average rider.
A well tuned shock of any variant will always beat an un-tuned shock of another design.
Ones twin tube (X2) one is monotube. If you want to learn more id go watch this video:
Neko mentioned working with Fox and having good results with monotube shocks in the enduro frame launch vid and I didn’t really know what that meant. Today I learned a new thing, but damn if it wont take me good long while to fully understand it
Looks like Spec launched new colors for the Turbo Levo SL and more interesting they also quietly launched a new Genie Float X. Basically a Genie with an extra Reservoir.
I wish this would have been an option on my Stumpy 15. I’ve really been liking the Genie coming from a Vivid Air and SD air but it gets noticeably hot on long descents and changes feel. This might have fixed that.
Yeah but how else are they going to differentiate the stumpy 15 from the stumpy 15 evo?
if they actually do an evo version, might just be a buildkit that comes with that shock i guess, still curious why not going with the piggy back design on the stumpy tho
The real hack is to pickup the linear XL can for the new SDU. Did that on my 160mm enduro bike and added significantly better sensitivity whilst not having to run a comically large shock. I'm only 165 lb's suited up but I ride fairly aggressively and even over full park runs I haven't been able overheat the thing. Rode an X2 prior to that and have been able to briefly ride a couple Vivids, would buy for a DH rig but don't think it's worth the $$$/weight on anything meant to go uphill.
Fox Genie fork incoming? AKA a fork with a larger air spring and piston.
The other site has an article on the Genie-equiped Levo SL, and they write "Word is a fork equivalent on the dual-stage air spring is under development."
I imagine it would be fairly easy to implement if you started with a twin tube air spring design like the 38.
Sorry, I missed the “if” part of your post.
A speci rep said in an interview that they were saving the Evo name for a bike that really lived up to the title. Obviously they would hold back the piggyback for that bike. Overall it will be a heavier build, maybe different kinematics?!? So they are going to want to make the reg stumpy seem lighter and more trail by comparison.
I've come across some the new alloy Stumpjumper,
Base:
https://cykelexperten.dk/specialized-stumpjumper-15-alloy-2025-hvid-s1/
Comp:
https://cykelexperten.dk/specialized-stumpjumper-15-comp-alloy-2025-sort-s1/
Pro/Expert:
https://cykelexperten.dk/specialized-stumpjumper-15-fox-coil-alloy-2025…
Finally Finally! Specialized giving the people what they want!
The people want a €3.6k metal bike with deore and xfusion?
It's a 3,6k € Specialized.
wait, Psylo ?
edit: just realized it had been released already. My bad
Pretty much inline with Spesh pricing for a while now. My 2014 enduro AL with rubbish parts was over 3k.
7k for a levo SL frame is blowing my mind though.
Can only imagine how expensive and poorly equipped the new Levo's will be, apparently the release has been pushed back again, might be quite outdated by the time they announce it.
The biggest problem with rubbish parts is the rubbish shock that is mostly a big pain to upgrade due to the size and tune that you need to match to the bike.
Too bad Gabel Profi went under, back in the day you could get any single part for Rock Shox shocks and even have a custom valves shock ordered for not much premium over an otherwise off the shelf shock.
That Pro/Expert looks mullet to me....anyone else?
New production Phoenix on the latest issue of Enduro MTB
Oh yes!
The rear tire says infact 27.5
Seems odd to me that they come specced with SLX, aren't we waiting for mechanical transmision? Maybe its a mockup photo, waiting for the release
Check out the Enduro Mag. They alreay have a test…sorry cannot not upload png to the forum. 😂
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