2020 MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

Pedal4life wrote:

Honda with there GL1800 pushed there product design for open road stability with slacker steering head angle(like us)but what they found was too much stichion in the telescoping fork to be able to get decent small bump compliance they redesigned the entire bike and went with a linkage suspension and steering system.

I bring this up because we are very near that point and it is not going to matter how much or how little weight they are asked to deal with the binding is gonna be the issue.

do you have a source on that? only article i can find on the subject says that they did it because the vertical axle path let them move the engine, and therefore the rider, more forward on the bike.

Good point about the stiction, yeah. I mentioned that USD forks should be stiffer in longitudinal direction since the tubes are larger (and/or thicker) in the place where the bending moment is higher - towards the crown.

Boxxer is listed at 5.76 lbs and Bartlett is 5.7 lbs so it’s 27 grams lighter, which almost an ounce. The Bartlett has a boost 15mm axle whereas the Boxxer is boost 20mm, so if you go with the Boxxer, you also need a different wheel.

Colin McCarthy wrote:

Boxxer is listed at 5.76 lbs and Bartlett is 5.7 lbs so it’s 27 grams lighter, which almost an ounce. The Bartlett has a boost 15mm axle whereas the Boxxer is boost 20mm, so if you go with the Boxxer, you also need a different wheel.

It is only future-proofing (having 20x110 Boost front axle) IMO...

Shimano Saint 2020? Or are they going to leave it for another year? Not seen any proto parts about, the spd pedals were around for a while before a full version made it to market.

Revel's new fusion-fiber Revel Fusion-Fiber wheels

Sir HC wrote:

Shimano Saint 2020? Or are they going to leave it for another year? Not seen any proto parts about, the spd pedals were around for a while before a full version made it to market.

This is honestly my most anticipated tech news right now. Saint is loooooooong in the tooth.

Shimano and FOX stuff based on what Greg showed up to this point. And the Devinci Spartan is what, 1 year old at this point?

I would have expected a change to 15 mm would occur with Boost hubs instead of the 20 mm boost standard coming out. But it's hard to see how that would get sold. You can't sell stiffness, it's hard to sell weight to DH guys (the way I see it at least), in the rear going 135, 142 or 148 gives you supposed width advantage over the 150/157 hubs (narrower frame, 'harder to snag rocks'), etc.

Interestingly, 15 mm hubs should be more durable though. With bicycles using disc brakes you are limited with how big of an OD bearing you can put in the non-drive side of the hub. With a 15 mm axle, you get some more space for the bearing on the ID. That means larger balls and, in practice (considering the load carrying ability specification of said bearings), more strength. And that means more durability.

Ah, the details

BIKES!

TBH, if I'd do research on linkage forks, I'd be head on into research of fully integrated versions like Structure Cycleworks. If you're going at it, might as well go all in.

bermslapper69 wrote:

No posts about the new Fox shocks?

In other news, it seems that the boys at 50:01 are about to launch a range of technical apparel:

https://www.facebook.com/50to01/videos/697195354351689/

Well, the 20 mm hubs use the BB tool instead of the cassette tool, so not 'THAT' different as opposed to the cassette tool.

15 mm was developed with Fox, yeah, but dunno, to say it was only developed because of center lock? That seems a bit of a stretch to me... It might have been an influencing factor, but i doubt it was the only one.

It looks like Bubba Warren is riding a new Evil Following.

Primoz wrote:

Well, the 20 mm hubs use the BB tool instead of the cassette tool, so not 'THAT' different as opposed to the cassette tool.

15 mm was developed with Fox, yeah, but dunno, to say it was only developed because of center lock? That seems a bit of a stretch to me... It might have been an influencing factor, but i doubt it was the only one.

Why didn't they use the 20 mm axle that everybody was happy with, then? Remember 20 mm Reba's?

Yes, I forgot that you open it with a BB tool, because I avoid Centerlock as much as possible. And don't forget Shimano has quite some history in wanting to shove us their ”innovation” down the throat: Biopace, initial Octalink, those damn Dual Control levers etc

The new 38 with Kashima?

Looks like the syndicate testing the Mullet

Primoz wrote:

Well, the 20 mm hubs use the BB tool instead of the cassette tool, so not 'THAT' different as opposed to the cassette tool.

15 mm was developed with Fox, yeah, but dunno, to say it was only developed because of center lock? That seems a bit of a stretch to me... It might have been an influencing factor, but i doubt it was the only one.

Maxipedia wrote:

Why didn't they use the 20 mm axle that everybody was happy with, then? Remember 20 mm Reba's?

Yes, I forgot that you open it with a BB tool, because I avoid Centerlock as much as possible. And don't forget Shimano has quite some history in wanting to shove us their ”innovation” down the throat: Biopace, initial Octalink, those damn Dual Control levers etc

Also remember they pitched that a 15mm axle was lighter without a significant loss of strength...

Martin_Prophet wrote:

Looks like the syndicate testing the Mullet

Is it me, or does the front triangle look different compared to the current V10?

I think it's just the paint.

I love centerlock for travel. So much quicker to remove and install for packing a bike.

Primoz wrote:

I think it's just the paint.

Yeah. I was thinking that too, but the red area at the shock mount position looks a bit more vertical and taller. Here’s a stick image of a V10.

https://marvel-b1-cdn.bc0a.com/f00000000168805/cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/3856/3907/products/v10ccxo1275blk_1800x1800.jpg?v=1571714529

Primoz wrote:

I think it's just the paint.

mwolpin wrote:

Yeah. I was thinking that too, but the red area at the shock mount position looks a bit more vertical and taller. Here’s a stick image of a V10.

https://marvel-b1-cdn.bc0a.com/f00000000168805/cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/3856/3907/products/v10ccxo1275blk_1800x1800.jpg?v=1571714529

We might just be looking at different sized frames.

Big Bird wrote:

We might just be looking at different sized frames.

No need to bring logic to the Internet.

mwolpin wrote:

Yeah. I was thinking that too, but the red area at the shock mount position looks a bit more vertical and taller. Here’s a stick image of a V10.

https://marvel-b1-cdn.bc0a.com/f00000000168805/cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/3856/3907/products/v10ccxo1275blk_1800x1800.jpg?v=1571714529

Big Bird wrote:

We might just be looking at different sized frames.

mwolpin wrote:

No need to bring logic to the Internet.

So glad to hand on the Face in Hand Award.

New 38 also has lowers air bleed ports and axle pinch bolts. Apparently it’s very heavy