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2/7/2023 4:38am
dirt lover wrote:
I wasn’t able to get a photo (bad phone, not because I was told no photo) but the Pivot boys were getting around Queenstown Bike Park...

I wasn’t able to get a photo (bad phone, not because I was told no photo) but the Pivot boys were getting around Queenstown Bike Park this afternoon on a new CNC lugged downhill bike with carbon tubing. 

Not sure if this counts as team rumours or tech news so will post in both. 

What shock orientation? 

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2/7/2023 5:04am

The last version of the phoenix was released in 2019 as far as I can tell, so time wise it tracks.

Dirt lover: was it dw link? I mean did it look like a proto phoenix? Mullet?

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2/7/2023 5:09am

That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD…. 
i guess it must do more? why change the design from the first generation AXS shifter. 

 

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2/7/2023 5:16am
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That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD….  i guess it must do more? why change the design from...

That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD…. 
i guess it must do more? why change the design from the first generation AXS shifter. 

 

I assume it's way more adjustable. The critics always said the old controller was not ergonomically adjustable.

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2/7/2023 8:07am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2023 8:08am
sharpy212 wrote:
That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD….  i guess it must do more? why change the design from...

That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD…. 
i guess it must do more? why change the design from the first generation AXS shifter. 

 

SPD? or did you mean DI2? because that‘s what this new shifter reminds me of.

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2/7/2023 8:41am
sharpy212 wrote:
That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD….  i guess it must do more? why change the design from...

That AXS shift doesn’t look slick at all….. also looks like a old Shimano SPD…. 
i guess it must do more? why change the design from the first generation AXS shifter. 

 

krabo83 wrote:

SPD? or did you mean DI2? because that‘s what this new shifter reminds me of.

A hybrid of the two.. the old SPD pedals and the buttons of Di2

2/7/2023 8:55am
kcy4130 wrote:
The last version of the phoenix was released in 2019 as far as I can tell, so time wise it tracks. Dirt lover: was it dw link...

The last version of the phoenix was released in 2019 as far as I can tell, so time wise it tracks.

Dirt lover: was it dw link? I mean did it look like a proto phoenix? Mullet?

Surely Pivot are just going to rebadge the Grim donut ll?🙂

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Surely Pivot are just going to rebadge the Grim donut ll?🙂

Likely a hybrid between current DH bike and the Grim Donut. Chris did say he learned interesting things from riding the Grim Donut after he made it. Possible the boys might be racing on some 60-61deg HA bikes this season. Or maybe in testing this spring. 

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2/7/2023 9:13am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2023 9:14am

It's kinda odd that Pivot reportedly makes aluminum proto mules in house to test, but has CNC Al lugged carbon tubed protos being ridden by their athletes.

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2/7/2023 9:48am
kcy4130 wrote:

It's kinda odd that Pivot reportedly makes aluminum proto mules in house to test, but has CNC Al lugged carbon tubed protos being ridden by their athletes.

Is it that odd though??? Technology changes and so does prototyping. Why would a company not be moving onto new processes if they have developed it? 

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2/7/2023 10:04am

I bet SRAM is very concerned, haha

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I won't be surprised if SRAM and Shimano both keep moving towards proprietary everything; no more mixing and matching. SRAM's flat-top chain is an example...

Not being able to mix and match drivetrain components (cassettes and chains and stuff) is in my opinion less of an issue than not being nicely mix and match drivetrain and brake levers. Drivetrain is a single system, brakes are whole other system.

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2/7/2023 10:27am
Mbarosko wrote:

Is it that odd though??? Technology changes and so does prototyping. Why would a company not be moving onto new processes if they have developed it? 

Good point, specialized did the same recently. Might be easier to source straight carbon tubes than formed/butted Al tubesets. I do wonder if it's more than just a prototype. I mean, dh race bikes sell in relatively small numbers, it wouldn’t be surprising to see companies exploring manufacturing techniques that don’t require expensive carbon molds. 

The success of Kolb (and Hatton too) on Atherton bikes and Finn (on the spec proto) brought lugged bike concept back into everyone’s mind at the very least. In the seemingly ever increasing arms race of dh bikes, having the quick turnaround and flexibility of lugged/glued frames does make some sense.

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2/7/2023 10:44am

Lugs and straight tubes also don't require welding. And don't require any procedures to straighten the frame as it can be cured at room temperature. 

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2/7/2023 12:31pm

Hey, so does anyone know when the new GT Sensor is supposed to be released? 

Was supposed to be released in spring 2022. got postponed, then postponed, then...

Saw one at EWS Val di Fassa in summer 2022 in person, and in various videos of wyns sm accounts. Have been told it's delayed due to restructuring process but coming (propably because of the ownership change to pon holdings). At least they said to be patient.

Probably spring 2022, unless they redesign since it looks like the new fuel ex.

2/7/2023 1:02pm

Sorry if this is old news, but I was catching up with some older videos from a few months ago and a comment under a youtube video made me notice this: Screenshot 2023-02-07-15-27-36-243 com.miui .gallery

 It looks like a dent. 

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2/7/2023 1:09pm
Sorry if this is old news, but I was catching up with some older videos from a few months ago and a comment under a youtube...

Sorry if this is old news, but I was catching up with some older videos from a few months ago and a comment under a youtube video made me notice this: Screenshot 2023-02-07-15-27-36-243 com.miui .gallery

 It looks like a dent. 

An alu option would make a ton of sense...

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AndehM
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2/7/2023 1:14pm

I think in one of the Frameworks videos, Neko mentioned he was testing aluminum Reserve wheels for them.

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2/7/2023 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2023 1:35pm
Mbarosko wrote:

Is it that odd though??? Technology changes and so does prototyping. Why would a company not be moving onto new processes if they have developed it? 

kcy4130 wrote:
Good point, specialized did the same recently. Might be easier to source straight carbon tubes than formed/butted Al tubesets. I do wonder if it's more than...

Good point, specialized did the same recently. Might be easier to source straight carbon tubes than formed/butted Al tubesets. I do wonder if it's more than just a prototype. I mean, dh race bikes sell in relatively small numbers, it wouldn’t be surprising to see companies exploring manufacturing techniques that don’t require expensive carbon molds. 

The success of Kolb (and Hatton too) on Atherton bikes and Finn (on the spec proto) brought lugged bike concept back into everyone’s mind at the very least. In the seemingly ever increasing arms race of dh bikes, having the quick turnaround and flexibility of lugged/glued frames does make some sense.

It's probably easier, yes, and I think it will be the way forward for the Demo. Because Loic Bruni and Finn Iles both ride fully custom frames. Like, not a single tube on any of their bikes matches a single dimension of a stock Demo. Completely custom, one-off frames built to the racers' preferred geometry specs will be a lot more easy to do with the carbon tube and lug method.

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2/7/2023 1:31pm

Yeah heard from a buddy that works in a Santa Cruz shop that reserve alu wheels are coming this spring. $750 with DT350 or i9 1-1s with heavy duty rims 

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2/7/2023 1:50pm
AndehM wrote:
I think in one of the Frameworks videos, Neko mentioned he was testing aluminum Reserve wheels for them.

I think in one of the Frameworks videos, Neko mentioned he was testing aluminum Reserve wheels for them.

The screenshot is from one of his videos (testing Reverse wheels). I might have missed him mentioning that.

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2/7/2023 11:51pm

New product realease from Cube with the Stereo One44 C68 SLX, new Codes on the Top model so maybe we'll see the SRAM realease in march?

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2/8/2023 12:12am
sr_34 wrote:
New product realease from Cube with the Stereo One44 C68 SLX, new Codes on the Top model so maybe we'll see the SRAM realease in march?

New product realease from Cube with the Stereo One44 C68 SLX, new Codes on the Top model so maybe we'll see the SRAM realease in march?

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Each to their own I guess, but IMO these SRAM levers just get more and more ugly... 

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2/8/2023 12:51am

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 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

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2/8/2023 1:11am
dirt lover wrote:
 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

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 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

Super interesting! Seems to be using Weagles new high pivot drivetrain system! Did the other one use it too?

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krabo83
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2/8/2023 1:29am
dirt lover wrote:
 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

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 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

wow, that‘s already that new dave weagle patent in the flesh being tested, very interesting Woohoo

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2/8/2023 1:34am
dirt lover wrote:
 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

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 Photo taken today of the new pivot, however there were two different (but similar) designs being tested.

krabo83 wrote:
wow, that‘s already that new dave weagle patent in the flesh being tested, very interesting 

wow, that‘s already that new dave weagle patent in the flesh being tested, very interesting Woohoo

Possible reason for bonded carbon tubes instead of welded Alu: maybe it allows them to tune the stiffness of the front triangle easier by using different thickness of carbon?

2/8/2023 2:16am

Is that Pivot actually made with lugs and carbon tubes, or is it just a deceiving paint job? The lower tube seems to be curved near the headtube junction.

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2/8/2023 3:14am
sr_34 wrote:
New product realease from Cube with the Stereo One44 C68 SLX, new Codes on the Top model so maybe we'll see the SRAM realease in march?

New product realease from Cube with the Stereo One44 C68 SLX, new Codes on the Top model so maybe we'll see the SRAM realease in march?

image-20230208085112-1

Looks like old Sram AXS shifter on the right.

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