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10/13/2021 10:38 PM

WheelBased wrote:

Hey everyone. I have a pretty important article for you folks to check out. Trek have patented a bike box, but it's not a ...more

you know your little site is making it big time when the companies you write about comment directly on pages about their own work.

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10/13/2021 11:14 PM

I think Canyon have something similar?

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10/14/2021 12:11 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if a few major brands started shipping direct.....................................

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10/14/2021 5:48 AM

regarding the whole direct to consumers causing bike shops to shut down conversation. does anyone have any numbers on this, in regards to how shops have been or expect to be effected by this sales model? reason I ask is because when DTC sales started with bigger brands I talked to my shop owner buddy and he said 90+% of his income was from tune ups, repairs and sales of parts, nutrition and clothing and actual bike sales really didn't weigh into things too much. basically he wasn't worried about it since all those bikes sold directly will still need to be fixed or upgraded. thoughts?

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10/14/2021 6:18 AM

What is worth a patent in this box exactly ?
A fork has a plastic stand in a fork box. Bikes have been shipped in box already. Boxes without staples or adhesive probably existed already.
I mean it may be a neat idea to put the 3 together but unless I miss something, does it deserve a patent ?

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10/14/2021 6:53 AM

Will_Narayan wrote:

What is worth a patent in this box exactly ?
A fork has a plastic stand in a fork box. Bikes have been shipped in box already. ...more

Besides the massive amount of work that goes behind making anything truly novel, licensing rights can be valuable. If other companies want to go D2C, Trek can license it out (or sell the box itself). Or, if Canyon, YT, etc. like this box, they can buy it, too. Everything new deserves a patent, no matter how small others may consider it. It's extremely difficult to develop something new and follow through far enough to patent it.

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10/14/2021 7:08 AM

literally wrote:

regarding the whole direct to consumers causing bike shops to shut down conversation. does anyone have any numbers on this, in ...more

Within the portion of the average shop's revenue that's made up by bike sales, the majority of it will generally be from hybrids and more casual use styles of bikes with only a small segment being from higher performance mountain and road bikes. I would think that there would be a limit to the amount of disruption caused by most direct sale brands, as they tend to focus on more performance oriented bikes.

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10/14/2021 8:01 AM

literally wrote:

regarding the whole direct to consumers causing bike shops to shut down conversation. does anyone have any numbers on this, in ...more

Edthorne wrote:

Within the portion of the average shop's revenue that's made up by bike sales, the majority of it will generally be from ...more

The [large] shop I worked at made most of its money off of bikes [hybrid/urban, mountain, road in decreasing order], although clothing and accessories had better margin. Service work was effectively break-even [lots of free tweaks and adjustments for existing customers] and margin on parts is terrible. Online sales were fairly small when I started there, about the same revenue as 1 full-time salesperson, but with lower margins. Even before the pandemic, online sales were ramping up, but once April 2020 hit... shocked I can't recall the exact numbers, but online sales quadrupled [more?] overnight, margins improved, etc. It's become even bigger over the last 18 months.

An interesting thing was who we shipped to. 40-50% of online sales were to locals. We'd ship or they'd come to the store for pick up. Most of the rest was domestic sales, although there were a surprising number of sales to Europe. The reason that many of our domestic customers gave for ordering from us, was that their LBS wouldn't special order them anything - it was a consistent response from well before the pandemic started. All those shops have access to the same distributors that we did [other than the ones restricted to the bike lines we carried], with similar terms of service and shipping costs. They just didn't want to order the product.

I now work in a small shop. Bike sales are a much smaller part of the business. Service, clothing, parts, accessories are much bigger. If somebody wants something that we don't have on hand, we order it, no question. If someone walks in with a part they bought elsewhere, we install it at the same price we would charge if the customer bought it from us. Same with used parts. There are two other LBS that we compete directly with, and our focus on customer service in all its forms is critical to our success - if we don't do the job, somebody else definitely will.

The takeaway is that online sales won't kill the LBS - not meeting their customers' needs will kill the LBS. If bike companies pursue D2C sales aggressively, we're going to make money by assembling and repairing those bikes, selling upgrades, clothing, shoes, snacks, etc.

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Hung over, off the back.

10/14/2021 9:09 AM

literally wrote:

regarding the whole direct to consumers causing bike shops to shut down conversation. does anyone have any numbers on this, in ...more

back in the mid 00's when i was a mechanic, the margins on bikes themselves were small, and most of a shops income was service and accessories. sounds like that hasn't changed.

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10/14/2021 1:00 PM

@pinkrobe that's what I was thinking. Even with the best kit and instructions that are fool proof, some people still likely won't be comfortable assembling their bike on their own and will bring the D2C bike to the shop to have it assembled. Then there's the servicing. I fully realise I'm in the far reaches of the gaussian curve when it comes to servicing and wrenching since I have a fully kitted garage, handle everything (well... I am missing a lathe and/or a mill to be really self sufficient smile ) and also help out a lot of friends, where somebody has to take care of the 99 % of the rest of the users. That can only be the LBS.

In that regard, yeah, the servicing service and customer relationship will likely be crucial.

FYI, I've never worked in a bike shop and likely never will, neither am I much of a customer (I do internet ordering for the vast majority of stuff I buy), so I may be way off.

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10/14/2021 6:12 PM

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I noticed Kyle and Andreu's rampage bikes they'd changed it to FRS and its that way on the website as well. Seems like a Santa Cruz Solo/5010 situation.

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10/14/2021 6:50 PM

metadave wrote:

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I ...more

There is a trend to have certain letters missing, think the CLLCTV.

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10/14/2021 10:33 PM

Know these have been spotted already a few times, but I noticed in the latest PB rampage video that the proto hope levers were actually labeled tech4. not exactly a revelation but interesting either way. Photo

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10/15/2021 3:28 AM

Primoz wrote:

Do you really think someone like a WC mechanic has any say in that? smile

If anything, the WC mechanics shouldn't have a say in ...more

mfoga wrote:

Only if it was built with the bolt in backwards. Put the nut on the drive side and slide axel from non drive side and you ...more

literally wrote:

giant installed the bolt that way intentionally for many years. the reason being was in case the nut loosened and fell off and ...more

I had personally saw it sometimes one way and sometimes the other way. They have had said that but it seems like the factory was more like it doesn't matter

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10/15/2021 4:03 AM

metadave wrote:

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I ...more

Aren't the furious and frs separate models? As in one's dual crown, the other single crown, different specs, etc., something long the lines of freeride vs. bikepark?

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10/15/2021 6:55 AM

metadave wrote:

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I ...more

Primoz wrote:

Aren't the furious and frs separate models? As in one's dual crown, the other single crown, different specs, etc., something ...more

No they ended the production for furious and replaced it with frs for 22

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10/15/2021 7:07 AM

Ah. Well if they lost the trademark or anything like that, someone MASSIVELY dropped the ball. The Furious has been in the Commencal lineup since... 06-ish? It was initially Gracia's pet project bike, so it's been in the lineup for quite a while smile

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10/15/2021 7:35 AM

Clearest shot of the new Torque yet. Photo

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10/15/2021 7:38 AM

metadave wrote:

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I ...more

Primoz wrote:

Aren't the furious and frs separate models? As in one's dual crown, the other single crown, different specs, etc., something ...more

That's the Clash vs the Furious for single crown and DH, the Furious has been their park bike for the last 4 years after the supreme went high pivot.

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10/15/2021 7:43 AM

mfoga wrote:

Only if it was built with the bolt in backwards. Put the nut on the drive side and slide axel from non drive side and you ...more

literally wrote:

giant installed the bolt that way intentionally for many years. the reason being was in case the nut loosened and fell off and ...more

mfoga wrote:

I had personally saw it sometimes one way and sometimes the other way. They have had said that but it seems like the factory ...more

Shops often swapped the around while building them so that they were easier to deal with. Otherwise the crank has to be removed to get the shock out for a 50h service. It usually depended on the model. If it was a lower end bike we likely wouldn't see back I personally left it since if we did get it back, the crank was likely going into the parts wash by the time the shock was being serviced. On higher end builds where I'd see the bike back for service end of the season and it was taken care of I'd switch it for either myself or the customer to pop the shock off more easily.

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10/15/2021 8:40 AM

metadave wrote:

Does anyone know whats with the Commencal FRS/Furious thing on their bikes? Did they run into an issue with naming rights? I ...more

Primoz wrote:

Aren't the furious and frs separate models? As in one's dual crown, the other single crown, different specs, etc., something ...more

metadave wrote:

That's the Clash vs the Furious for single crown and DH, the Furious has been their park bike for the last 4 years after the ...more

Ah, that's the difference I saw, similar frame, dual crown/single crown. The category of the bike isn't what I'm looking for, so I didn't remember the difference well enough and just figured it might be the FRS/Furious.

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10/15/2021 10:29 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/15/2021 11:40 AM

Ooo, there's some cool lever blades on Jaxson Riddle's Saints.
And Semenuk's got that fancy short cage XX1 AXS mech on again.
Some pics here...

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10/15/2021 11:50 AM

TimBud wrote:

Ooo, there's some cool lever blades on Jaxson Riddle's Saints.
And Semenuk's got that fancy short cage XX1 AXS mech on again.
...more

That should help with the tailwhips

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10/15/2021 1:54 PM

TimBud wrote:

Ooo, there's some cool lever blades on Jaxson Riddle's Saints.
And Semenuk's got that fancy short cage XX1 AXS mech on again.
...more

i believe those levers are just sticky fingers brake grips on jaxson’s brake levers Photo

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10/15/2021 1:57 PM

yahmon wrote:

i believe those levers are just sticky fingers brake grips on jaxson’s brake levers Photo

Tioga Brake Tamers coming back?

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10/15/2021 11:27 PM

TimBud wrote:

Ooo, there's some cool lever blades on Jaxson Riddle's Saints.
And Semenuk's got that fancy short cage XX1 AXS mech on again.
...more

yahmon wrote:

i believe those levers are just sticky fingers brake grips on jaxson’s brake levers Photo

Dammit, I think you're right.

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10/16/2021 12:09 AM

Why would Semenuk run old Code brakes? In his build vid he put on new ones. But yesterday he was on Avid Codes.

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10/16/2021 12:19 AM

SB14 wrote:

Why would Semenuk run old Code brakes? In his build vid he put on new ones. But yesterday he was on Avid Codes.

Don't know about Semenuk but I noticed that Kyle Strait was running old code levers so I wouldn't be surprise. Now the question is why.

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10/16/2021 3:37 AM

SB14 wrote:

Why would Semenuk run old Code brakes? In his build vid he put on new ones. But yesterday he was on Avid Codes.

Erwan_Ghesquiere wrote:

Don't know about Semenuk but I noticed that Kyle Strait was running old code levers so I wouldn't be surprise. Now the ...more

personal preference.

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10/16/2021 6:14 AM

Wireless live valve on Bernard Kerr's latest Instagram post? Photo

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