Modern, aggressive geometry goes against tried-and-true performance. What is this EVO thing all about?
Few bikes can claim a history as iconic as the Specialized Stumpjumper. Like the Porsche 911 or Ford Mustang, the 37-year-old Stumpjumper lineage has evolved through the years — with each new model becoming the industry’s technology beacon of their era.
As the story goes, Specialized’s original Stumpjumper was the first mass-produced mountain bike dating back to 1981. The latest Stumpy is a far cry from the first generation, but shares one common thread: both are mountain bikes for … mountain biking! Today’s over-categorization and genre segregation be damned, Specialized has always intended the Stumpjumper to be the one bike that can do it all, a proverbial jack-of-all-trades — the clear choice to take on an epic 10,000-foot vertical ascent sufferfest or when you finally decide to chamois-up for what could possibly be an all-day adventure into the high-alpine, chasing your best, and most fit riding buddies.
With the introduction of new Stumpy came a few distinct models, including the regular version, a short travel version, and the made-to-party EVO version with its new school geometry. We were able to extensively test two of the most intriguing models head-to-head, pitting the standard Expert 29 against the EVO Comp Alloy 29 in a sibling-versus-sibling shootout to determine where each excels.
Join Vital MTB tester Jeff Brines for the video low down:
Both bikes have the same 140mm rear and 150mm front suspension travel, so we decided to test the two in a side-by-side format, under similar conditions, often riding both on the same day, and even the same trail. How’d the pair fare? Which one is better? Which one is faster? Which one is best for what conditions? We sought to answer these questions and more.
The chart below compares the regular Stumpjumper 29 (sizes M-XL) to the EVO 29 (sizes S2/S3). We tested a size XL and a size S3.
Offered in both 29” and 27.5” wheel sizes, the EVO Comp Alloy’s geometry numbers have more in common with a YZ250 than it does with Stumpjumper’s cross-country roots of yesteryear. The geo stats are boundary-pushing for a bike of this nature, while not to the absolute extreme as a few Nicolai and Pole models are currently exploring. The EVO only comes in two sizes: S2 and S3, both with seat tube heights that allow riders to size up/down with relative ease. We sprung for the longest EVO. With a 475mm reach, it’s hardly an outlier: a number of brands currently produce XLs with significantly longer reach bikes. However, when looking at the complete package, it does start to push limits, especially when considering the bike’s 445mm (15.7") rear end (much praise), ultra low 328mm (12.9") bottom bracket height, slacked out 63.5-degree head tube angle, and reduced offset 44mm FOX 36 fork. Typically size-large riders choosing the size S3 will notice a more drastic length difference. Worth noting, one can steepen things up 0.5 degrees with Specialized's flip chip in the shock.
The all-aluminum bike comes ready to rally out of the box with aggressive 2.6” tires, downhill-worthy SRAM Code brakes, 30mm wide rims, and a 12-speed drivetrain. On paper, there doesn’t appear to be a chink in the EVO’s armor — and it all retails for $3,620 from a bike shop.
While the Stumpjumper EVO has an industrial look with its metal tubes and welds, the Expert has a sexier supercar appearance as its carbon fiber creates smooth-arcing contours that make the bike very pleasing to the eye. Even the paint has a look to it that screams “quality.” Add carbon wheels and you’ve got one hot-looking ride that is ready to perform.
The geometry was a bit more conservative — shorter chainstays, shorter reach measurement, and a more “traditional” 66-degree head tube angle coupled with a standard 51mm offset fork. The build is clearly aimed more at trail use with SRAM Guide brakes, a non-piggyback RockShox Deluxe RTC damper, and a Pike RC fork.
Perhaps not quite as good of a value as the EVO, the Expert is still nothing to scoff at, as the bike comes in at $5,000 USD with carbon wheels.
Finally, unlike the EVO, the Expert has the super clever SWAT box feature — a storage space in the frame that allows you to keep the backpack at home and always have what you need, be it a snack, multi-tool, spare tube, or even a can of your favorite beverage (we kept it classy with a sparkling rosé, a fine canned wine).
Both bikes climb well. In fact, we’d claim these are two of the most efficient 140mm 29”-wheeled bikes we’ve ever thrown a leg over. It should be of little surprise that the Expert scurries up climbs. The combination of lightweight, reasonably good-for-ascending geometry, and solid pedaling kinematics all worked in harmony going uphill.
The EVO was the real surprise. Despite the slack head tube angle, we never felt the bike was unwieldy. All modesty aside, our tester set more KOMs in the Jackson area (yes, going uphill) on this bike than any other bike he has ever tested. The magic was in the steep seat tube angle paired with longer chainstay length, just long enough to keep the slack front end from rising too often.
Speaking of seat angles, depending on your saddle height, either bike may or may not prove to have a steep enough seat tube angle. This is the problem with “virtual” seat angles as it’s variable based on height. For our tester’s 34” inseam and 6’2” height, it wasn’t a problem, and he never felt in a position too far back, but it’s not hard to see a taller rider may find themselves slamming the saddle forward on the rails to keep the effective seat angle to a reasonable number.
The only caveat to the whole climbing thing is this: if the trails you frequent involve a high potential for pedal strikes, maybe count the EVO out of consideration. As far as we know, the EVO has the lowest bottom bracket height of any 140mm 29” bike in mass production, which puts its pedals at the most risk of hitting obstacles — there is a reason most bikes have a higher bottom bracket, so if you pedal through technical terrain be prepared to smash some pedals (even if you intend to swap the stock 170mm crank arms to a set of 165mm). The Expert did not suffer from this nearly as much, and one could mitigate this on the EVO with extensive ratcheting, but there are times this isn’t the most effective technique.
Let’s start with one disclaimer: you can go fast on either of these bikes. Specialized team riders Jared Graves and Curtis Keene choose to race the non-EVO Stumpy at the highest level on the Enduro World Series, so it’s clear the Stumpjumper can be piloted down rowdy terrain at ludicrous speed. That said, we did not find either bike to be a formidable enduro race weapon. There are other 140mm bikes on the market that outperform either one of these when descending — does that make them both bad bikes? Absolutely not. Let’s get into the details...
Despite extensive monkeying with the rear shock on both bikes, neither could be tuned to feel as supple or as bottomless as other bikes in this category, like the 140mm-travel Transition Sentinel and Santa Cruz Hightower LT or the 150mm-travel Trek Slash and Yeti SB150. In fact, both Stumpjumpers’ suspension action felt worlds apart from the aforementioned whips. The reason behind this isn’t entirely clear. On paper, the kinematics look good: a progressive leverage ratio compressing a modern suspension damper. But, both simply felt anemic on trail. If we hadn’t been told so, we’d guess these were “over forked” 120mm bikes.
The Expert seemed to have more appetite for eating bumps than the EVO, despite the fact that it had the less-favorable damper tune of the two. One rationale behind this was simply frame material, with the Expert’s carbon layup providing a bit more damping than the EVO’s alloy frame.
Overall, they consumed bumps similarly — and with all due respect, this was an area we weren’t overly impressed. However, when you transition from “enduro” mentality to “trail” mentality, things start to make more sense, as either bike adequately ingested bumps in normal trail situations. Charging into new, gnarly terrain at mach chicken made the bikes seem to lose their appetites. The Stumpjumper platform prizes efficiency, providing a more sporty trail-type of ride than other bikes with similar amounts of travel.
Aboard each bike, differences between the EVO and Expert were easily felt — with the Expert providing quicker handling and feeling a bit more twitchy than the EVO.
The Expert rewards smaller inputs and asks the pilot to utilize a more precise touch, while the EVO, on the other hand, allows the rider to be more aggressive with inputs — tipping the bike over as far as the trail will allow — to let the wheels work the terrain.
On that note, the EVO seemed to have more grip at the tires. How? The EVO seemed to place the rider in a more neutral position over the bike, which was proven by the use of some shipping scales to determine weight balance. We weighed 47%-front and 53%-rear on the EVO; atop the Expert, weight was distributed 45%-front and 55%-rear. This difference, along with the slacker head angle and lower bottom bracket, helped us have a bit more faith to tip ‘er over in the twisties as keeping weight on the front tire is often the biggest challenge a rider faces when cornering.
Up front, the EVO’s FOX 36 was preferred to the Expert’s RockShox Pike — it tracked better and chewed bumps better. Despite being heavier, the 36 is one of our favorite forks here at Vital, especially the Grip 1 budget-based damper, which rides like anything but a “cheaper” fork.
Overall the regular geo'd Expert model felt like a trail bike, through and through. The bike’s expertise is in the fact it doesn’t have one; a jack-of-all-trades. This means you may never have the absolute best tool for the job, but it will never completely be out of its element this side of a World Cup Downhill race track or Pro-level XC race. While you give up capacity for outright descending prowess, you gain in overall efficiencies and just being able to go (and go and go).
The EVO’s true identity was far more perplexing. In some ways, it rode very similarly to the Expert. In others, it felt more like a Demo in Specialized’s DH lineup than a run-of-the-mill trail bike. Held back by the harsh feeling rear end and a more flex-laden frame, we were never fully comfortable pushing the bike to the speed the geometry asked. That said, in steep, twisty, loamy trails the EVO proved to be an absolute weapon; this was where the EVO was most at home, and these types of trails left us scratching our head in amazement at the bike’s ability.
Both bikes jumped fine, with no ill effects noticed while flying through the air, loading the lip of a takeoff, or doing something miscalculated. Though the shock’s O-ring often indicated “you have reached the end of the travel, sir,” we never noticed a harsh bottom-out, at least while riding at reasonable pressures. This isn’t to say either would be our bike of choice for hucking to flat, but larger impacts were not as much the problem with the suspension as repeated square-edge bumps. The bike simply didn’t track as well or offer the rider as much traction as other 140mm bikes.
Worth noting, we swapped out the original 2.6” GRID tires on both bikes for a new BLCK DMND casing and compound from Specialized, which falls between GRID and DH in terms of weight and durability. However, we do feel that the original GRID tires, especially on the EVO, were on the harder side of things — this was found especially obvious in the desert where slipping and spinning on slickrock became a bit unnerving.
We had a few buddies throw a leg over both the EVO and the Expert, and the results echoed our thoughts, highlighting a few common traits:
This made us wonder if perhaps the shorter eye-to-eye and stroke is partially to blame for the feeling one gets when really trying to rally. Perhaps the damper struggles to control the bike’s travel as the leverage ratio, especially off the top, is over 3:1? This is mere speculation, but something we continued to mull over as no chart, component, or number seemed to explain what we were feeling on the trail.
Both bikes passed the Vital durability test during this five-month test. Neither frame cracked and no component became mangled beyond repair.
EVO Durability Concerns
Expert Durability Concerns
Both bikes proved to be reasonably good values, with the EVO getting the most sincere tip of the cap. We noticed in our comments section of our Stumpjumper First Look that perhaps this isn’t the sentiment of our audience, so some breakdown is required.
Specialized did an admirable job putting together a bike with a good components spec at a solid price point. In today’s marketplace, direct-to-consumer has its benefits, but the real value of this brick-and-mortar-only model from Specialized is its spec: there isn’t a single component that needs changing to really push the bike. While none of the parts may be sexy, they work damn near as well as the top shelf stuff at a fraction of the price.
The FOX 36 accumulated some weird wear on the stanchions’ finish, although performance remained stellar. The Code brakes remained flawless. Once we received the correct (production) shock, the FOX DPX2 never hiccuped. The SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain may not be as crisp as top-of-the-line offerings, but it never let us down. When compared to premium drivetrains, it’s hard to say, “We’d go faster if we had _____.”
Shoutout to X-Fusion for their Manic dropper post that functioned like an industry-leader with a satisfyingly-ergonomic lever, going through thousands of cycles without a hiccup. Considering our history with dropper post reliability, it is relieving to find brands figuring out the secret to long-term functionality for such an integral and necessary component of the modern trail bike.
The only component that required tinkering was the rear hub. It would often loosen, but this is something we were more than happy to live with considering we could spec this bike with parts double the price and probably forget we did so on the trail.
In the end, we give the Stumpjumper EVO a confident “yes” to the question “does it provide value?” It offers one of the most rally-friendly spec’d bikes at the lowest price — plus, let’s not forget there will be actual human beings at a real bike shop involved with this purchase.
At $2K more, the Expert is substantially more expensive. With a carbon frame, carbon wheels, and a more high-end build throughout, it also isn’t a bad value, though nothing like that of the EVO.
Truth is, though there is an undoubtedly nicer feel to lighter weight, premium parts, it evaporates pretty quickly on the trail. We actually preferred the EVO's X-Fusion Manic dropper to the Expert's RockShox Reverb, and we wholeheartedly prefer the FOX 36 to the RockShox Pike up front for the type of riding we like to do. In the rear we liked the EVO’s FOX shock more than the RockShox on the Expert.
Oh, and one qualm with the Expert’s build: please give us the RockShox RCT3 Pike — at this price point a premium damper is warranted. Otherwise, the spec is certainly up to snuff.
Even with dollars and cents out of the equation, if we were going to pick only one Stumpjumper then we’d go EVO, hands down. Though it was slightly heavier, it most often proved faster down the trail while only being a bit slower, if at all, going up. Just plan on doing some pivot greasing, be conscious of your crank length on trails with high pedal strike potential, and maybe do some tire swapping. Otherwise, we simply had more fun, more often, on the EVO than the Expert.
Perhaps not the enduro race slayers we were expecting, both the Expert and EVO Comp Alloy provide a compelling blend of efficiency and versatility that have always been present in the Stumpjumper bloodline. Despite what you may see Specialized top racers doing on the bike, the Stumpjumper is, in fact, a trail bike designed for the modern trail rider.
Those looking for a sporty feeling wagon-wheeled bike that can be composed in almost any situation this side of a legit EWS stage or an elite XC race would do well to check out either model. The EVO specifically is a unique ride that rewards those who want to test the limits of modern geometry in steep, twisty terrain while sacrificing little in the way of efficiency.
Visit www.specialized.com for more details.
Stumpjumper EVO Comp Alloy 29 Rating
Stumpjumper Expert 29 Rating
Jeff Brines - Age: 32 // Years Riding: 18 // Height: 6'2" (1.88m) // Weight: 200-pounds (90.7kg)
Jeff didn't go on a real date until he was nearly 20 years old, largely as a result of his borderline unhealthy obsession with bicycles. Although his infatuation with two wheels may have lead to stuttering and sweatiness around the opposite sex, it did provide for an ideal environment to quickly progress through the ranks of both gravity and cross-country racing. These days, Jeff races enduro at the pro level, rides upward of 150 days a year while logging over 325k of human-powered ascending/descending on his bike. Bred as a racer, Jeff is more likely to look for the fastest way through a section as opposed to the most playful. He lives in the shadow of the Tetons in Jackson, Wyoming.
Photos by Ian Haney and Jeff Brines
Supreme
2/24/2020 3:02 AM
User-19
2/9/2020 9:57 AM
@jeff brines - New seat stay for 2020 Stumpjumpers, is not tapered like the OEM for 2019 Stumpjumper and other bikes that shared that original design.
I have just received a crash replacement seat stay, and the bike (XL Comp Carbon 29) is noticeably different!!!
Lower gears are “easier” to pedal/hammer, increased acceleration
Climbs better in huger climbing gears
Maintains momentum ver chattery sections of the trail, bike does not drastically slow down and lurch me forward
Running 260+- psi in rear Fox DPS Shock, I removed the .6mm volume spacer. The harshness is gone (don’t know what % seat stay has to do with that feeling) traction is much improved for climbing
Stumpjumper S-Works, Pemberton & Evo Carbon have new seat stay.
I would really like to see a test of these bike with upgraded seat stay vs tapered original seat stay.
User-19
6/30/2019 7:40 PM
tacevil
3/20/2019 4:04 PM
Kwills3
3/10/2019 8:39 PM
I am actually torn between the carbon comp and the evo. Evo is 3600 but I know spec is dropping the comp carbon to 3770 temporarily.. what do you do in that case?? HELP!
Truth moment, no I don't live where there are super steep drops. I will occasionally hit bike parks. Definitely more technical riding where I live... that being said, I can only have one bike! My thought is to grab the comp carbon, upgrade to fox 36, upgrade rear cassette and go from there to have the most all- around bike.... any input ?
Pete_Matejcek
3/2/2019 7:57 AM
Stiksandstones
2/25/2019 10:53 AM
jeff.brines
2/25/2019 11:06 AM
neil.carnegie.1
2/25/2019 11:13 PM
Beez177
2/24/2019 12:43 PM
jeff.brines
2/25/2019 7:34 AM
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 11:27 AM
Hunterchek
2/22/2019 11:34 AM
luisgutrod
2/22/2019 6:26 PM
Wagon650B
2/23/2019 9:40 AM
rkillian
2/22/2019 11:04 AM
I recently picked up a Stumpy 29 alloy comp after demoing the regular stumpy and the ST. I gave an EVO the old parking lot test but it did not feel immediately comfortable compared to the ST or regular stumpy. I attribute some of this to the stack height. I really like the higher stack of the standard stumpy and from a looks standpoint I don't need a bunch of spacers. And being honest with my local trails the HA and overall length of the bike could not be justified. I would probably be better served locally by the ST but I make enough trips to the real mountains in a year and my riding style as a fellow 200lb rider is much more "smash" and "hold on" than that of a refined rider who picks their way precisely down a trail. That with the honest admission that I cannot ride at a professional racers speed down a hill pointed me towards that regular stumpy. I personally could not tell enough of a difference between the way the carbon or alloy frames rode and on the trail I didn't notice a difference in the weight. Coming from a shimano XT drivetrain I'm impressed with the NX eagle on the bike. And coming from a fox factory 36 fit4 I am even more impressed with the fox rhythm 34.
Reading this review I feel even more confidence in my decision knowing there's a lot of overlap in the capabilities of the bikes. One thing that I personally don't agree with is the description of the rear travel. A lot of reviews out there describe the bike as feeling like it has more that 140. I don't think I would agree with that either. But compared to my last 140 bike it feels similar. It does feel as though it has more of a platform to push against though. I like that but I could see how someone really pushing these bikes closer to their limits might feel that as harshness.
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 2:52 PM
One thing to remember, the Specialized Factory Boys (TM) ride the regular stumpy. I know video never communicates how gnarly EWS racing is, but I promise you its mind blowing how hard a lot of the stages are these days. My point is, the bikes really DO have a lot of overlap, and it really is closer than maybe this review makes it seem. Parts swapping, damper swapping, offset and fork swapping could all yield a normal stumpy that is closer to the Evo or vice versa.
Heck, just going to a reduced offset 36 or Lyrik and a better more capable rear shock on the Expert might have pushed it to the front in the head to head testing I did. Point is, we aren't just testing one variable (frame) but the parts as well.
As far as your thoughts on carbon vs alloy, I echo a lot of those in general. That said, the Evo was noticeably more flexy than the Expert. Not an intrinsic part of the material, just the engineering in this case.
I know a lot of people chiming in here who don't echo my sentiment with respect to how harsh the rear end feels. This is why I had other people test the bike. Riders that were as fast (or faster) than me said exactly what I said. Larger riders too trying to push the limit said what I said. Those who are smaller and/or riding at more reasonable speeds found the opposite to be true. Is this a scientific test? Naw. Anecdotal. But its how I had some confidence in what I was feeling.
Either way, do take what other's are saying, as we're all really just data points. The only thing that makes my data point special or unique is I've done this for a long time, have a number of other bikes in the quiver, and ride a silly amount in the summer...so I am comparing it to a benchmark of sorts!
andyjr77
2/22/2019 3:00 PM
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 3:10 PM
andyjr77
2/22/2019 3:20 PM
It had a definite squeak type noise that I initially thought might be tight new seals. But as I had the Vivid to go on, didn't give it too much thought.
I've now got a mystery creak that I'm chasing - redone cranks/BB (GX Eagle GXP from my old bike), next is hanger, cassette etc.
I can also echo what you found about the OEM Grid tyres too - really noticeable here in the UK when you hit wet roots...... Bought an aftermarket Butcher 2.6" Grid now the Hillbilly can come off (it's starting to dry out at last) and it's definitely softer compound and slower rebound rubber.
rkillian
2/22/2019 5:19 PM
Eoin
2/22/2019 7:17 AM
kragu
2/22/2019 11:50 AM
scootch
2/22/2019 12:16 PM
scootch
2/22/2019 5:56 AM
Great review! I own a S3 Evo 29 and I'm curious how a more weight/pedal friendly spec'd build would change your mind on it being an "Enduro Race Weapon"? Also, did you run the Evo in High or Low mode?
Although the stock build is excellent for the price, it leaves a lot of opportunity to cut weight and tweak to your liking IMO. It took me a bit of time to mesh with the bike out of the box. Let me add the disclaimer that my last bike was a 28lbs 2016 S-Works SJ 27.5. So with the geo and weight differences I had a lot on my plate in terms of learning the new bike. That being said my biggest struggle was the BB height. I race Enduro in TX, so it can be pretty pedaly at times, making having a bike you can put the power down on ultra-important. When I first set this bike up in high mode I was pedal striking pretty regularly and my confidence pedaling the bike was super low. With that said, I’ve got this bike dialed now with an added 10mm to the fork for extra BB height and the much needed weight cutting additions (drivetrain, carbon wheels, and other carbon options where I could add them). These changes (mainly carbon wheels and the fork adjustment) made the bike feel 10x better. I now feel like I can pedal it confidently and the reduced spin weight on the wheels was mega!!
Is your opinion on the rig not being Euduro Race friendly more along the geo/feel side? Or do you think adjustments from the stock spec/settings would have left you with a different opinion?
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 7:29 AM
Few comments here...
1) I ran it in both modes, and honestly if you are good enough to tell 1/2 degree of HTA then good on ya. I can't really tell...or if I can my body immediately adapts to it. That said, I ran mostly in the high position just because I needed every mm of crank clearance.
2) Weight was never a concern with me as far as enduro racing is concerned. At this point, I'm fine with anything between 32-38 pounds (this stuff on my bike). Less weight comes out of a corner better and obviously easier to pedal. More weight is planed and less likely to deflect. Both I can handle.
3) My opinion with respect to racing the Evo has more to do with the rear suspension than it does any other one single factor. I actually brought the bike to 3 (or four?) races this summer but it stayed chained to the back of my truck in lieu of something that was more forgiving.
4) You nailed my other complaint as a race bike - it really is too low. Especially for a guy like me who is good on the gas (well, I used to be before everyone started training like TDF athletes lol).
Grimwood
2/23/2019 9:09 AM
Great review Jeff. I echo a lot of what you said in the video. Great spec for the price, tires don't really hook up as well as they look, and rear suspension feels like it ends short. Like it's good, it's good, then the end. As I'm sure you know the stock shock is a 210 x 50 mm. I had a 210 x 55 Rock Shox Super Deluxe sitting around and I tossed it on. It was tight getting it in there, but everything clears just fine. Wow, what a difference. Now it doesn't feel like the suspension ends early. I've heard of guys even going to a 57 mm stroke, but I get the feeling clearance starts getting pretty low at that point. If you still have the bike around, it's something to try.
It feels like Specialized spec'd the 140 for marketing? Maybe so there's less overlap with the Enduro? Either way, with the slightly longer stroke shock, the bike feels awesome. Highly recommended.
Matt Dogg
3/13/2019 1:29 PM
mamath7
2/22/2019 3:45 AM
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 7:29 AM
jean_germain
2/22/2019 3:01 AM
Phil_S
2/22/2019 2:19 AM
hamncheez2003
2/22/2019 6:55 AM
Came here to see if anyone has tried a a coil! Good to hear it improves the Evo.
Is that longer stroke shock also longer from eye to eye; does it raise the BB and steepen the HTA?
Phil_S
2/22/2019 7:04 AM
Grimwood
2/23/2019 7:16 PM
Phil_S
2/23/2019 11:12 PM
TEAMROBOT
2/21/2019 11:10 PM
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 8:03 AM
JCL
2/23/2019 10:28 PM
TEAMROBOT
2/24/2019 8:52 AM
jeff.brines
2/26/2019 7:19 AM
Shawn_Trudell
2/21/2019 8:14 PM
Pinch Flat
2/21/2019 8:07 PM
Hunterchek
2/21/2019 8:20 PM
Salespunk
2/21/2019 8:41 PM
Salespunk
2/21/2019 7:09 PM
First off great review. I have both of the bikes tested plus an HTLT as well and would echo your experiences in climbing. The Evo is very underrated in this area and it absolutely crushes the climbs. I find that the steep seat tube means that I don't have to fight to keep the front wheel on the ground which takes a surprising amount of energy and core strength. I constantly laugh at people that say slack bikes can't climb well. It is all about the SA, not the HA.
Regarding descending, my experience does not mirror that of Brines. My typical descents are steep, rocky and fast to the point that a certain multi time world cup overall winner was riding them with his DH bike recently (obviously much faster than me!) . The Evo is absolutely the fastest bike I have ever ridden on these types of trails (I have never owned or even ridden a true DH bike). It could be a riding style difference or tire setup, but it is by far my favorite for these (and most other) trails. As a side note, I like my bikes very plush because we have so much loose chunk and chunder around here. We are constantly clawing for traction. I had the compression damping on my HTLT X2 significantly reduced along with installing an ACS3 coil kit in the front so it is not that I am used to bikes being stiff. One final piece is that I run CushCore front and rear with fairly low pressures to make my bikes even more supple which could contribute to my different experience as well.
Overall this is one of the best comparison tests I have seen and I am stoked to see actual criticism of the bikes instead of the "everything is great" that most reviews give. Every bike and design choice is a compromise so what works for some people won't work for other. Keep putting out the great content!
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 7:52 AM
I'd wager I am more critical of bikes than most testers. The funny part is this review was literally supposed to take place over one week in the desert and turned into an entire spring, summer and fall. Which was good. It really let me suss out performance of both bikes, and compare them to other bikes like the Transition Sentinel, Trek Slash, Canyon Torque (I know, totally difference) and others.
Few things to realize...
1) I still pretend to race pro, and I'm not light. This is important as the speed I'm trying to carry and the net impact I'm exhibiting down the trail is probably higher than most. I'm not trying to be pretentious here, but I do know if I back off my top end speed a hair, the bike is a lot easier to ride and my thoughts change a bit...but who wants to do that?! I also have to be honest with my riding style. Its less "precise" and more "hold on". Weight + Speed = a lot of what I was noting.
2) I often had this bike with me, along with the Canyon Torque. I always chose the Torque as a race bike. Why? Its so much more forgiving. When tracks are more and more like DH tracks (or at times ARE DH tracks), having a bike that lets you have a "plan B" if things go wrong is important. I'd suggest all want-to-be-enduro racers, at least in the Rocky Mountain Region to go longer travel and more forgiving unless you are Nico-like...and most ams or slo-pros arent.
3) The cool part about the evo is its $3600. Buy this along with something like a Torque and you've got a great race quiver...all for around $8K. Sounds expensive till you realize most guys are racing bikes that retail around that anyway...
4) If there is one bike I'd say is close to the Evo in suspension action its the HTLT, another bike I wasn't super fond of when it came to eating bumps.
5) I did try this bike with CushCore - it was better. I also tried it with true DH casing. Also awesome.
6) I did place 4th "pro" in our local XC race on this thing. I actually wasn't that far off the top 3 either. I'm 200lbs. That says a lot as to how efficient the bike is.
7) I do wish the headset wasn't integrated so you could angleset it (steeper) for longer travel forks
8) It was one of the best bikes I've ever ridden when it comes to geometry balance.
Thanks for the comments dude! Always good to get a discussion going!
Salespunk
2/22/2019 8:31 AM
andyjr77
2/22/2019 9:22 AM
Matt Dogg
2/22/2019 8:53 AM
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 9:12 AM
Lets just put it this way, I own a Sentinel, I don't own the Evo. 'Nuff said eh?
The Sentinel is a 140 bike that feels like 140 (or maybe more with a good damper). Its also designed around a 160mm fork, which is a plus and the BB is more reasonable.
Which shop do you like better? Where do you ride? Do you race?
Matt Dogg
2/22/2019 10:19 AM
Jeff - I ride the mountains of northern Utah mostly, with some southern Utah desert riding thrown in a couple times a year for good measure. Lotsa pedaling, lotsa searching for fun dh lines. I demoed plenty of bikes last year and the 140r/160f(ish) 29ers are my sweet spot. I'll do the occasional race for fun but on the dh am just racing myself and my crew, no stress. I currently ride an XL 2017 stumpy 29 with Topaz rear and dual position Lyrik (160-130) up front and am digging the steeper STAs and slacker HTAs on the newer bikes. I have no brand allegiance.
The evo is a few bucks less but I like the BBH more on the Sentinel, like you said. If I went evo I'd throw in a 160 air shaft and run it in the high position, mostly to keep from destroying crank arms and pedal spindles (which i did last year). Maybe an evo with a Topaz would help that rear end? I wouldn't go coil or long shock it though like some evo owners are doing. I might try to raise the bb a little more with an offset bushing. Just thinking out loud. I already have a carbon wheelset and fresh set of e13 rubber (semi slick rear) to compliment either bike.
jeff.brines
2/22/2019 10:26 AM
Roots_rider
2/22/2019 10:39 AM
Matt Dogg
2/22/2019 1:39 PM
boaz
2/21/2019 4:46 PM