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Liked a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 10:41 AM
easton

I ride a 29er. I love technological progress in bikes.

But I have one concern: If bigger and bigger wheels prove more and more advantageous, at what point will tall riders have a overwhelming advantage by riding equipment shorter riders can't possibly use?

One of my favorite parts of DH racing is that most sizes of human can compete-- to see Danny Hart and Troy Brosnan level with Minnaar and Payet is awesome.

But if people keep pushing the wheel size, and Payet sized people come to dominate on, you know, a 33in wheel in 2020, and short riders are pushed out of the sport like it was basketball or something, it would be a real shame.

For this reason I am fine with the UCI capping wheel size at a max of 29.

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groghunter

I made a similar point in the "should there be a 29er class" thread, but I focused a bit more on the industry consequences. DH is not road biking. At the end of the day, there will still be enough people willing to pony up cash for pro road teams to get decent field at events like TDF. & road bike R&D is cost positive, in that they sell enough of those bikes to break even, before considering racing.

DH is a cost negative for many brands. They don't sell enough of these bikes to justify making them, they have to rely on them as halo product to drive sales of other bikes in their lines. But DH isn't the halo event it once was. EWS has taken a big bite out of that apple, & has more participants, & is raced on bikes that actually sell well, to boot. Look at a brand like Rocky Mountain. After a long time not sponsoring a racing team, they have people on their bikes this year. If they need to now scrap a fairly new frame design, & do all new molds for a 29er version, they have to take a look at the cost/benefit of doing that, vs investing more in EWS. Arguing for spending on WC racing in that light is pretty hard. Heck, look at Devinci. If we're finding out about this in the last few months, they had to have had at least a rumor of it when they decided not to field a WC team this year.

But worse than that, DH is already weak, compared to road. They lose 3-5 teams, & some real competitive riders don't have a sponsor. Not a healthy outcome for the sport.

I mean, the UCI put their foot down on skinsuits, gearboxes(Honda team) & different wheel sizes on the same bike. This is obviously detrimental to a segment that is just rebounding from all the brands that couldn't justify leaping to 650b right away, where are they here?

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erik saunders

I think you really have made the right point here... a great example is the UCI decisions to limit the development of aerodynamic bikes in the 2000's and the decisions that all race bikes need approval and have to be available for sale to the public... before these rules, bikes were getting so expensive and specialized that athletes from poorer nations were not able to compete at the same level only because they lacked equipment... this was especially prevalent on the track where the bike makes such a difference that its impossible to win without the latest tech... thats a bad thing for the sport because its no longer a contest between athletes... you would have some nation like Ukraine getting smashed in the face in team pursuit by Italy or Australia because they were on steel round tube bikes... no chance to win just because of equipment... I dont know if DH is there... i think the equipment parity right now is good between privateers and full factory riders... the difference is in management of resources i would think... not in equipment... but if DH ever looked like track cycling in 2002 it would be terrible...

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traildog

agreed, but I also think these guys were pretty candid about not being concerned with the "fairness" of new tech but rather the potential for the industry to self-destruct through too many options. it's the same argument for the tire width restrictions in CX- not that a wider selection of tires isn't beneficial, but that the small teams simply can't afford to have all the options glued up at once, so regulation is necessary to create a level playing field. I'm not particularly passionate either way, but do think there's got to be a balance between showcasing R&D while also creating a level playing field.

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Liked a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 10:40 AM
lev

I think two good points were made by Loic and Brendan in the dirt walk around. If everyone gets 29ers, it's the same race, just on bigger wheels. The only people that lose are the amateurs who now have to buy, new frame, new fork, new wheels, new tyres. It's not really progression, it's a variation. Bad Santa Cruz.

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Liked a comment about feature Beware, It's Getting Weird Out There 8/29/2016 1:24 PM
Rb

If you got smoked by a fat guy riding a 27.5+ bike, you don't need to go "back to the drawing board."

You need to go to the gym.

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Liked a comment about feature Beware, It's Getting Weird Out There 8/29/2016 1:22 PM
Salespunk

Ah the good old days before the internet. Now everyone can find people online who are also into having sex with other people in animal costumes (I once stayed in a hotel that was hosting a Fuzzy convention a few years ago).

But I digress. Once upon a time all we needed was one bike. I could race XC or DH on my Manitou hardtail and I wasn't some weirdo in a class of one. Then we started talking about the dream of having a quiver of bikes. That started XC vs DH when DH had 4" of beautiful rubber support suspension and no damping. Then suspension was fun so why not try it on a bike that could be ridden uphill? Cheese and crackers it worked! But riding hardtails was still fun and we wanted more suspension for riding down hills. Then we decided that we wanted the equivalent of a DH bike that could still be pedalled uphill, but not very fast and they were even more fun! But they weren't as fun if we weren't riding DH equivalent courses. So now we needed HT, XC, Trail, Enduro and DH bikes. But as N+1 will prove, there is no such thing as enough bikes so wheel sizes were added. First it was simple with 26. Then someone with a HT in lycra declared that 29 was the best size ever. Nobody believed them and we all just laughed. Then some other people tried them and they were not horrible. Still more people tried them and decided that they liked 26 better. After that some freak put an old triathlon wheel size on his mountain bike and went for a ride. Everyone said it was getting out of control and ignored the freak. A few other people decided that they wanted to be freaky and mounted up the same tri wheels on their 26 bikes and it did not sucked. People began to wonder how good they could be if there were actual biked designed for these new mid sized wheels. The 29 people were pissed because their revolution was disrupted. The 26 people were pissed because their cool wheels did not fit the new bikes. Then the new frames came out an most people rejoiced. Finally a new wheel size that made most people happy. Except for the freaks on 26 and 29.

Now that everyone was happy with their 29 HT, 29 XC, 275 Trail, 275 Enduro and 275 DH bikes N+1 was breaking down. Something had to be done so why not try adding in bigger tires? 275 was the most popular of all the sizes so make the tires bigger so they were almost as big as 29. Rejoice N+1 was restored! Some people tried them and they were weird in a moped kind of way. Fun to ride, but you never want to be seen on them. Now that people were having fun on them and a few people were buying them N+1 needed to be expanded. So why not try big tires on our old rusty 26 HT bikes and get even more diameter from our 29 bikes that were gathering dust. Rejoice fun was had even on our old bikes, but now we need new shiny bikes to accept our new tires.

The end????

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Liked a comment about product review First Look, First Ride: 2016 Yeti SB5.5c 29er 4/13/2016 9:54 AM
jeff.brines

To add to Sspomer's post, one needs to open their mind up a little bit. There will never be "one bike" (or wheel size) that is "better". Better for me? Maybe. Better for where I live? Sure. Better for the type of riding I do? Absolutely.

Take a nod from other "tool oriented" sports such as surfing or skiing. There is no "best" set of skis or surfboard.

Though it may be overly hard to decide which bike is best for you, I give Yeti kudos for making so many different bikes aimed toward real riders on real trails.

Put another way, watch the EWS coming up - I'll bet you see their team on every bike they make through the season proving there is no "best bike". Just most fitting. Its up to you to decide which one will compliment your riding style

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Still pretty cool though. I liked getting to see so many riders through the same section. Looked pretty darn steep!

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@willsoffe So if 24 hours after a concussion, you still have a headache, nausea, vomitting, dizziness, and repetitive questioning, you are concussion free solely because it has been 24 hours?

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