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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/3/2017 10:45 AM

It's funny. Riders and fans want gnarlier tracks but we keep seeing the wheel size increase which smooths it out.. kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/3/2017 10:44 AM

Nobody with any power here actually cares about the sanctity of racing. They care about the show. Shows need drama... and here you go.

Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/3/2017 8:21 AM
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Yeah Jeff we will always disagree,
I owned a successful engineering business for 18 years we shipped products worldwide, our products were for the offshore oil industry so I'm not without experience and insight myself. If you think these companies just employ bike fans you clearly have a naive view of the world.

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Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 5:32 PM
Lighthowler

It's not hard to imagine a business consultant walking into one of the bike manufacturers offices and his jaw dropping when he's told proudly "our bikes are lasting 10-15 years"
"Dont you realise you could quadruple your profits if you make them last 3 years?"
"We can't engineer them to break!"
"Mmmmm how about continually changing the standards?"
"Yeah we could do that , get fox and maxxis on the phone!"

I think there's definitely signs of technological creep that suits the manufacturers rather than big jumps that suit the consumer, rather than making big changes like jumping from 26 to 29 let's make a standard in between!

I know a bit about the sharks that swim in business that's for sure!

Maybe it's not as sinister as I say but it could be, 20mm boost is this weeks new standard roll up roll up!

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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 4:53 PM

I ride an Enduro 29 Carbon. It's the fastest bike I've owned. I can get it sideways (just), it rails turns, it climbs, it ploughs. Haven't used my DH bike since I bought it.

What doesn't feel right to me is that at present, the Syndicate have an advantage over all the other teams. I...more

Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 4:41 PM
Lighthowler

Wow 6 billion hardly small is it,

There's also a massive mark up on frames.

The oligopoly is provided by the consumer believing the new development is a must have and an increase in performance. 26 may not be obsolete but it's definitely no longer fashionable hence the lack of availability of new 26 inch bikes.

Industrial tricks within the psychology of consumerism usually rely on a naive consumer

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Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 4:23 PM
Lighthowler

Producers that pursue this strategy believe that the additional sales revenue it creates more than offsets the additional costs of research and development

That's a key point knowing Santa Cruz will sell enough to offset r and d the point is the smaller brands don't sell enough to offset r and d therefore it's a possible strategy to " starve the competition" by continually changing standards.
This IS capitalism

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Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 4:13 PM
Lighthowler

Heard of Dyson vacuum cleaners? Check your local recycling centre and you'll see a pile of em yet people still buy them and at greater cost than their competition.
Saying bikings a small industry isn't true, how much was Santa Cruz sold for.
Recent purchase of chain reaction by wiggle should be enough to show there is enough room for the conspiracy.

Sorry about the long post. Taken from wiki key points are making things unfashionable or less efficient i.e. 29 ers in downhill.



The industry knows people will follow time after time after time



Planned obsolescence or built-in obsolescence in industrial design and economics is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so it will become obsolete (that is, unfashionable or no longer functional) after a certain period of time.[1] The rationale behind the strategy is to generate long-term sales volume by reducing the time between repeat purchases (referred to as "shortening the replacement cycle").[2]

Producers that pursue this strategy believe that the additional sales revenue it creates more than offsets the additional costs of research and development and opportunity costs of existing product line cannibalization. In a competitive industry, this is a risky strategy because when consumers catch on to this, they may decide to buy from competitors instead.

Planned obsolescence tends to work best when a producer has at least an oligopoly.[3] Before introducing a planned obsolescence, the producer has to know that the consumer is at least somewhat likely to buy a replacement from them. In these cases of planned obsolescence, there is an information asymmetry between the producer – who knows how long the product was designed to last – and the consumer, who does not. When a market becomes more competitive, product lifespans tend to increase.[citation needed] For example, when Japanese vehicles with longer lifespans entered the American market in the 1960s and 1970s, American carmakers were forced to respond by building more durable products.[4] A counterexample is Moore's law, stating that the rather competitive electronic industry plans for double computer capacity every 18 months, and the software industry plan for new program versions that require double computer capacity every 18 months.[5]

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Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 3:37 PM
Lighthowler

It obviously stinks compared to all other wheeled sports that are in essence a timed race from start to finish. Road cycling hasn't stifled development the rules have been successful in ensuring a more fair and even playing field.
Downhill just isn't as professional or as organised and it doesn't reflect well in my eyes.
If I was a team manager I'd get payet on the team and develop 35inch wheels and leapfrog the whole 29 thing.
Wonder if that would change people's mind tuning in to see florent take 5 secs off the field, soon get boring like the women's at present.

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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 3:23 PM

I think two good points were made by Loic and Brendan in the dirt walk around. If everyone gets 29ers, it's the same race, just on bigger wheels. The only people that lose are the amateurs who now have to buy, new frame, new fork, new wheels, new tyres. It's not really progression, it's a...more

Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 3:17 PM
Lighthowler

When 27.5 came out the smartest thing the companies did was make sure they were not compatible with 26 with the exception of Scott Rocky Mountain.
People don't realise that the big companies have business analysts and strategy men who advise to ensure constant renewed business these analysts and advisors aren't even into bikes. Electrical companies test to ensure failures after a certain period for this exact reason.
Bikes due to safety and brand reputation ensure the renewed 2yr cycle of repeat business by changing standards and eliminating backwards compatibility.

All this waste and nonsense will be at the customers and fans expense while the industry laughs.
Not so much wolves in sheeps clothing more wolves in shepherds clothing.

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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 3:11 PM

While that is true to some extent right now, 29ers are surging pretty hard in EWS this year, with the new Trek, Evil, & other brand's bikes. Second, Enduro has a more "run what you brung" ethos, at least right now. DH emphasizes velocity much more than other disciplines , & if 29...more

Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 2:57 PM
Lighthowler

Yeah sports favour certain body types no point going for NBA if your 5 ft no point going for sumo if your thin but these sports don't make changes they stick to their standards.

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Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 2:52 PM
Lighthowler

Tracks have been getting smoother and easier for years, Lourdes seemed less gnarly this year as it's been ridden in. The canyon to hip or gulley took out loads first year looked easy this year. Same with the wall section it's no longer about the ability to handle the terrain it's just about holding speed. I don't know why they use leogang when schladming is round the corner, val di sole vallnord are the only exception and they get flatt sections with a few jumps just to look good on red Bull to.

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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 2:41 PM

When riding downhill the tyre hits your arse

Added a comment about feature Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 1:26 PM
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I wonder how much money will be wasted collectively by canyon, propain, radon, Saracen plus others who have just finished developing a design plus norco who have only just finished a prototype that was due to enter production.
It will be interesting to see if Santa Cruz offer a rear triangle linkage upgrade to existing owners, my guess is they will make changes to ensure all the sc fanboys have to buy total frames.
It looks like the best and most likely action for teams is to cobble 29 frames out of existing 27.5 and use angle sets etc to correct geometry hardly the technological advancement everyone's raging about.
Also road cycling has a rule stating a frame cannot be developed to suit 1 rider. No wonder minaar was begging loris to go 29.

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Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 1:15 PM

Except that isn't what happens. What happens is a bunch of brands leave the sport temporarily, since they can't compete. Look at how many brands fell off for a few seasons after 650b. Except this time, the cost/benefit analysis looks a lot better in favor of just putting more money...more

Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 1:15 PM

Why should some riders get an advantage because they are taller than average?

27.5" is a good average wheelsize that can be made to work for riders at both ends of the height range. There are enough possibilities with frame sizing to make one wheelsize work for all competitors.

Greg...more

Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 1:14 PM

From what I've read and heard, his wheelbase is 1300mm. Last year he rode a XXL V10 with longer shock links (+17mm I think), so around 1295mm in total.

You could say Greg's set up is one of the more extreme in terms of length. Even Peaty didn't go that long and he is an inch taller than...more

Liked a comment on the item Nico Vouilloz and Fabien Barel Discuss 29ers in DH 5/2/2017 1:14 PM

agreed, but I also think these guys were pretty candid about not being concerned with the "fairness" of new tech but rather the potential for the industry to self-destruct through too many options. it's the same argument for the tire width restrictions in CX- not that a wider selection of...more