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7/25/2025 1:25am
TimBud wrote:

Anyone else seen this

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7/25/2025 1:29am
TimBud wrote:

Anyone else seen this

Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

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Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

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7/25/2025 1:51am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 1:52am
qblambda wrote:
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

Bro look in the frame design thread I'm guilty of exactly the same thing D'Arcy is doing 😂 just without the floating shock. I fully agree with you about giving engineers free reign, but letting them loose every now and then helps them build skills and stops them getting bored. Engineers can have a little complicated design as a treat.

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7/25/2025 4:16am

Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

qblambda wrote:
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

That was Walt of Waltworks bikes if I’m not mistaken. 

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7/25/2025 4:40am
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

shreda wrote:

air 0

From a different angle

Screenshot 2025-07-25-13-39-56-732 com.miui .gallery
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7/25/2025 6:04am

A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.


Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. 
The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
 

Another German shop has some ebikes/+ models in case anyone is interested: https://www.rabe-bike.de/de/mountainbike/allmountain-bike?manufacturer_filter=trek

 

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A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind...

A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.


Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. 
The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
 

Another German shop has some ebikes/+ models in case anyone is interested: https://www.rabe-bike.de/de/mountainbike/allmountain-bike?manufacturer_filter=trek

 

That 'Phaze Amethyst' and 'Chameleon Green' colors on the Fuel EX are sick and reminiscent of the paint jobs on the new version of the Cannondale Jekylls when they first came out. Good looking rigs.

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7/25/2025 6:50am

Will there be a alloy frame only Option?

 

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7/25/2025 6:52am
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

shreda wrote:

air 0

From a different angle

From a different angle

Screenshot 2025-07-25-13-39-56-732 com.miui .gallery

Looking at the existing Superior Peak frame on Ari's website, it seems pretty clear that this diapered frame has a different shock location/orientation.

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roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

Something is different because the current frame has the shock mounted to the middle of the downtube in a horizontal alignment.


The picture shown has to have a vertical alignment.


 

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Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.

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7/25/2025 8:51am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 8:53am
earleb wrote:

Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.

I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see the seat tube and the seat stays extending past it, but no sign of a rocker link.

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earleb wrote:

Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.

Buckets Up wrote:
I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see...

I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see the seat tube and the seat stays extending past it, but no sign of a rocker link.

I was on my phone and didn't zoom in enough. 

Okay then return of the Diamonback Knucklebox. 

Only soo many ways to package a vertical shock and get a useable LR. 

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7/25/2025 4:41pm

There should be some sort of fine handed out to companies who unjustly run frame diapers

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7/25/2025 7:06pm

photo

And here we go. Weight on your bike is good.

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7/25/2025 7:07pm
earleb wrote:

Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.

Sounds like something they would do

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And here we go. Weight on your bike is good.

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And here we go. Weight on your bike is good.

Nah, the missing spoke is offsetting the added weight 😆

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7/25/2025 8:25pm

Sorry Spomer, broken bike comment, but techy! Has anyone done carbon/kevlar in a bike tube? Or is kevlar more bullet proof but not that good for tubes? See? Tech question!

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7/25/2025 8:34pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 8:37pm
Big Bird wrote:
Sorry Spomer, broken bike comment, but techy! Has anyone done carbon/kevlar in a bike tube? Or is kevlar more bullet proof but not that good for...

Sorry Spomer, broken bike comment, but techy! Has anyone done carbon/kevlar in a bike tube? Or is kevlar more bullet proof but not that good for tubes? See? Tech question!

Antidote bikes have for years on their downhill Rigs, assuming you’re talking about frame layup 

- But now that I read your question again I’m wondering if you’re talking about a tyre inner tube and not the carbon tubes 

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7/25/2025 9:34pm

I wouldn't have thought that carbon or kevlar done dense enough to stop anything, would be too stiff and the lack of compliance would give a shit ride quality and you'd lose traction as the tyre wouldn't conform to the dirt very well?

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Dave Waugh wrote:
I wouldn't have thought that carbon or kevlar done dense enough to stop anything, would be too stiff and the lack of compliance would give a...

I wouldn't have thought that carbon or kevlar done dense enough to stop anything, would be too stiff and the lack of compliance would give a shit ride quality and you'd lose traction as the tyre wouldn't conform to the dirt very well?

kevlar/aramid is flexible as long as you don‘t laminate and bake it AFAIK. i‘ve seen body armor (law enforcement) with that kinda stuff. but yeah, would be heavy of course.

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In general, aramid has significantly lower tensile strength than carbon fibre.  Some quick research suggests that aramid fibres are also more flexible, but I doubt that has much of a bearing on the rigidity of the composite.  It might make it more durable though.

My guess is that the general preference for carbon fibre in the bicycle industry comes down to cost.

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7/26/2025 9:16am

There are a few brand that have dabbled with mixed composite like adding dyneema (time) but with low amount compared to carbon fiber.

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7/26/2025 10:05am
1llumA wrote:

There are a few brand that have dabbled with mixed composite like adding dyneema (time) but with low amount compared to carbon fiber.

I've heard of dyneema being used for applications where you don't want your rope to stretch, but never dyneema fibre composites. That's actually really cool.

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7/26/2025 8:36pm Edited Date/Time 7/28/2025 8:41am

$15000usd Sram level brakes 

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jazza_wil wrote:

$15000usd Sram level brakes 

It's amazing how good that mic is picking up his voice under the bandana. It sounds like it was recorded in a studio!

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7/26/2025 10:12pm

That video makes me think of those fever dreams you can have where the dream replays over and over. Voices dont match, things seem off, its all pointless, and its very annoying. Ah they nailed the fever dream marketing feel. 

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jazza_wil wrote:

$15000usd Sram level brakes 

TEAMROBOT wrote:

It's amazing how good that mic is picking up his voice under the bandana. It sounds like it was recorded in a studio!

The voice over sounds AI generated to me

(I hate that it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell)

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