When Roadies Do MTB... Meet the Pinarello Dogma XM 32

Just when we thought we had heard it all, this self-proclaimed 'Offroad Revolution' comes around...

"The new Dogma XM 9.9 is the result of a strong desire to get out of traditional schemes, and bring revolutionary ideas in the full suspension world. We consider ourselves pioneers, but with consciousness and experience arising from our history in road racing..."

"All MTB manufacturers build their own frames on the assumption that the fork should rotate 360-degrees. This forces them to stretch the main triangle, inevitably compromising its own natural stiffness, contrary to that of road frames."

"With Pinafit, pushing on the pedals, you have the unbeatable feeling of riding a road bike."

"Ours is not a phobia of symmetry, but the mathematical proof that the symmetrical positioning of components makes little sense."

"Stiff as a road bike. Suspended only when needed, without any remote control... The dream of every biker? It's obvious, to have a bike that dampens only when necessary."

"Welcome to the new era of MTB, fully suspended."

Credit: New Pinarello staff with "unquestioned mountain biking experience"
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32 comments
  • whatuphill13

    7/18/2013 4:43 PM

    Oh but i do barspins and the occasional tailwhip on my xc bike all the time

  • ChrisG

    7/15/2013 6:06 PM

    Oh dear! The first lecture from Pinarello on mountain biking could be called "Everything mountain bikers got wrong because they drifted from the true faith". I expect they do have something to offer relative to other bikes using flexible carbon fiber stays in their designs but I really can't abide the elementary errors that parade themselves as unquestionable truths in their lecture. There are simply no points of weakness, having a special prevalence in a four bar system, that cannot similarly arise in other suspension geometries. The problem is the same in all cases, slapdash engineering and/or sloppy implementation not whether you have one fewer "centres of rotation" (i.e. pivots) or not. Without fully owning up to it Pinarello indicates that the ride of the bike will be fairly uncompliant below a certain threshold. This is not something subject to adjustment or tuning, because the stays are not tunable. On the contrary it is a directive from Pinarello to all mountain bikers instructing them on what they should like and should be grateful for. Not an especially good start in my view.

  • Nikolias

    7/15/2013 12:47 AM

    The Central shock...... Which one is that?

  • Ian Collins

    7/13/2013 9:53 PM

    Holy shit. I just finally watched this malarkey. Sensational. Hahahhaha

  • mrpowerjd

    7/13/2013 5:19 PM

    That is freakin hilarious! I have to admit the seat clamp is pretty cool, but moving the shock off center just to statically balance the weight offset from the cranks and derailleur on the other side? ROFLMFAO. That is all or else I would go on forever....

  • b-kul

    7/13/2013 1:20 PM

    not sure any of this "engineering" will make it any better than any other carbon xc race bike. have to admit the seat post clamp looks kinda cool though.

  • JimEG

    7/13/2013 8:47 AM

    You guys scooped Trivial MTB and Team Robot on this one!

  • Ahab

    7/13/2013 4:52 AM

    All it needs now is its own unique wheel size.

  • quasibinaer

    7/13/2013 3:45 AM

    "The unbeatable feeling of riding a road bike" ... yup, that´s what I want my MTB to feel like. Not.

    Other than that: Thank you, Pinarello. First big grin of the day. Oh, and this bike, if it ever comes into production, is a future classic. Because if they designed it like they made the video, it´s gonna be quite ... italian in it´s ride, I guess. But I´m sure they´ll find the odd dentist or bored lawyer who´ll decorate his shed with it...

  • ibeaver

    7/13/2013 3:16 AM

    why not try to innovate....? maybe some of those ideas solve some engineering issues we don't know about... e.g. the topic is way too technical compared to me just wanting to have fun on the bike.
    For sure, they should have a sexy lady voice if they wanna get interest from the mtb side.

  • t.QT

    7/12/2013 9:18 PM

    Hilarious! I had all these comebacks for their distorted hype and fundamentally flawed concepts, like the bolt hitting the fork crown, the "damping characteristics" of the flexi carbon, if the seat post junction is so critical, are four little bolts really the anwer and bla bla bla, but i cant even be bothered voicing the rest of them for such a obnoxious add. I'm sure there are more astute Vital readers than I, who could pick many more of them. At first i thought it was a clever piss take to shame the roadies, but it is for real!!! Too funny. Thanks for the comedy Pinarello, great sense of humour. Stick to technologically stagnate road bikes maybe...

  • tineira

    7/12/2013 8:49 PM

    Nice single shear mounting of the shock!

  • chup29

    7/12/2013 8:42 PM

    i didnt know the special olympics was being held in the pinarello design studio this year

  • Albe23

    7/12/2013 8:25 PM

    This....this is just a train wreck of a video and bike....

  • Tyler_Hansen

    7/12/2013 8:17 PM

    i bitch slapped my computer screen half way through

  • JCL

    7/12/2013 7:14 PM

    Onda Curve Assemetric and integrated RAD system. Thank god they didn't have a phobia of symmetry.

  • Logic

    7/12/2013 4:40 PM

    Wow. What a pretentious, over-engineered, waste of time and money. This is a joke, right? I didn't finish the last part. What's the price tag? 35K USD?

    In the famous words of Luke Skywalker, "What a piece of junk."

  • Shrockie

    7/12/2013 4:26 PM

    I wonder how many Hi-Fives their marketing team gave themselves when 'creating' this bike and video?

    Doesn't seem like they actually consulted engineers, or Mountain bikers.

  • tbox

    7/12/2013 3:46 PM

    They would be better off stuffing the acronyms and showing a video of it being rallied.

  • kidwoo

    7/12/2013 3:50 PM

    You're assuming it can be rallied.

  • xchinvanderlinden

    7/12/2013 3:14 PM

    he said Peena-fit.