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First Look: All-New Trek Remedy 9 29 - First Look: All-New Trek Remedy 29 and Fuel EX 29 - Mountain Biking Pictures - Vital MTB

The Remedy 29 140mm (5.5-inch) full-suspension trail bike represents a ground-up redesign of Trek's Remedy platform, with several years in development, testing, and refinement. The all-new bike is a combination of Trek’s technologies, including Active Braking Pivot (ABP), Full Floater suspension design with Dual Rate Control Valve (DRCV) suspension, along with Trek and Gary Fisher’s 29er expertise and exclusive 29er-specific G2 geometry. Additional frame details include the Mino Link 'flip-chip' for geometry adjustments, one-piece EVO rocker link, downtube armor and swingarm protectors, ISCG 05 mounts, and internal cable/dropper post routing.

Trek Remedy 9 29 Specs:


Frame - Alpha Platinum Aluminum, ABP Convert, Full Floater, E2 tapered head tube, internal derailleur & dropper post routing, press fit BB, ISCG 05 mount, magnesium EVO Link, Mino Link, down tube guard, G2 Geometry, 140mm travel
Front Suspension - Fox Factory Series 34 Float w/CTD (climb-trail-descend) adjustable FIT damper, rebound, E2 tapered steerer, Kashima coating, 15QR thru axle, custom G2 Geometry w/51mm offset, 140mm travel
Rear Suspension - Fox Performance Series Float w/DRCV, CTD (climb-trail-descend) damper, rebound, tuned by Trek in California, 7.75×2.125″
Wheels - Bontrager Rhythm Elite Tubeless Ready w/Stacked Lacing, Rapid Drive, 15mm front hub; 142×12 rear hub
Tires - Bontrager XR3 Team Issue Tubeless Ready, aramid bead, 29×2.30″
Shifters - Shimano Deore XT, 10 speed
Front Derailleur - Shimano Deore XT, high direct mount
Rear Derailleur - Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus
Crank - Shimano Deore XT, 38/24
Bottom Bracket - Press fit
Cassette - Shimano Deore XT 11-36, 10 speed
Saddle - Bontrager Evoke 2, chromoly rails
Seatpost - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm, zero offset
Handlebar - Bontrager Race Lite Low Riser, 31.8mm, 5mm rise
Stem - Bontrager Rhythm Pro, 31.8mm, 7 degree
Grips - Bontrager Rhythm, dual lock-on
Headset - FSA NO.57E, E2, sealed bearings
Brakeset - Shimano Deore XT hydraulic disc
MSRP $4499

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21 comments
  • stone.luke

    5/29/2013 3:52 PM

    Thanks guys, I really appreciate the info. If anyone (kellen1230), would engage in a discussion with me about some other related issues, I'm very stuck on how to proceed with the bike buying process. Before I spend a few minutes spilling the whole story though I'd like to see if you or anyone will engage in the discussion.

  • kellen1230

    5/29/2013 2:48 PM

    Stone.Luke, this bike is really a hybrid and is likely going to be split the difference between a Specialized EVO 29 and the Enduro 29. It has some of the same geometry as the Enduro. I would be surprised if the wheelbase was shorter than the Enduro (remember wheelbase is a product of frame size as well as geo..so compare Large to Large, etc.) as the Enduro has a similar head angle and shorter chainstays. Seat tube length is irrelevant to center of gravity, provided that you are planning on standing up while going down hill (this is how you ride a mountain bike) and adjusting your seat height to compliment the length of your legs. Center of gravity will have more to do with bottom bracket height during suspension sag (usually 25-30% of stroke). Lower bottom bracket - lower center of gravity. Additionally, the Enduro has 155mm of suspension travel, where the Remedy has 140mm. The Remedy is by no means a bad bike, in fact Trek makes great bikes if you like their suspension characteristics. I personally prefer a FSR and have found that Specialized makes stiffer frames. It all depends on how aggressive you are going to be riding. If you are a truly aggressive rider who is looking to maximize downhill ability then the Enduro (more travel, shorter chainstays) is going to be great. If you are moderately aggressive and wouldn't mind trading 9.7% of your travel for slightly more small bump compliance, then I would look at the Remedy. Last, don't forget about the Stumpjumper EVO 29. That is arguably one of the best reviewed and most loved bikes on the market today and it shares similar features/travel as the Remedy.

  • JCL

    5/29/2013 3:35 PM

    Excellent summery. I just disagree about the chainstay length.

  • stone.luke

    5/29/2013 1:56 PM

    Can someone explain why this described as a long legged trail bike? Keep in mind im looking at buying the Remedy, but have am looking at the Enduro too. The wheelbase is shorter than the Enduro. The seat tube on the remedy is shorter than the Enduro (lower center of gravity?). The standover height of the Remedy is lower as well. The Remedy also has a longer top tube/reach. Additionally, the head tube angle of the remedy is 67.5-68.2. So if you want, your slack can be exactly the same as the Enduro. The wheel bases are almost identical, just a 4mm difference, and a 13-15 mm difference in chain stay. I don't know much about geometry, and not trying to argue anything, just noticing these numbers and trying to understand them and the points being debated in this thread.

  • chrisroot

    5/22/2013 12:16 PM

    Pics and actual weights of several of the new models for those interested: http://www.probikeswap.com/trek-fuel-ex-29-pics-weights-ex97-ex9-ex8-ex7/

  • chrisroot

    5/22/2013 11:43 AM

    Pics and actual weights for those who are interested: http://www.probikeswap.com/trek-fuel-ex-29-pics-weights-ex97-ex9-ex8-ex7/

  • b-kul

    5/21/2013 3:55 PM

    mino link is cool but for the most part pass. i agree trek is behind spec.

  • kellen1230

    5/20/2013 4:06 PM

    How about the fact that Trek is seriously behind Specialized in just about every way. 140mm "all mountain" remedy? Why would ANYONE decide to purchase this machine as opposed to a 29 Enduro with 155mm and chainstays that are just a few mm longer than the already short Enduro 26? Nice job with the full floater and ABP to circumvent FSR patent. But IMO trek's have always felt skiddish and slightly flexy next to Specialized.

  • tbox

    5/20/2013 6:12 PM

    I agree kellen, they are a shadow of Spesh. Don't get me wrong they have had some good innovations but for the most part their bikes dont compare.

  • JCL

    5/20/2013 8:57 PM

    I disagree. I haven't seen the geometry for the Trek's but they look okay (minus the DVRC of course). The Enduro 29" is an odd bike geometry wise IMO, a 29" apologists bike to please the 26" riders. 155mm and only half a degree slacker than the 135mm Evo 29"? And who wants such short chainstays with such a long front centre? The 25mm longer stays on the Stumpy feel perfect to me. Who knows, maybe that's why Curtis chose to ride the Stumpy and not the Enduro at Punta Ala?

  • mbl77

    5/20/2013 10:37 PM

    Curtis said he rode the Stumpy because he wanted the lighter bike for the long liason stages, and he figured it was good enough for the downs.

  • kellen1230

    5/21/2013 7:22 AM

    That's the point. The Enduro 29 IS an apologist for the 26" rider who wants the benefits of a 29" rollover. As for "who wants such short chainstays with such a long front center?"....anyone who rides downhill? The very reason that the Enduro 29 is so fantastic for the world of Enduro is that it has that long raked feeling of a true 6.5 inch bike...but with a chainstay that makes manuals and other maneuvering easy, with a range of travel that leaves no compromises for descending, better rollover for small bumps and rocks, increased contact patches and a long-legged stability often found on more DH style rides. That's my gripe with calling this bike a "Remedy". The remedy is supposed to be an offering that confers these same benefits....the aggressive Enduro rider's bike. My point is that once again, Trek comes in compromising and airing on the side of a XC style ride/geo.

  • Nicholast

    5/21/2013 8:53 AM

    "And who wants such short chainstays with such a long front centre?"
    Me. I love Specialized bikes because they follow a formula that works: short chainstays (relative to similar offerings), low BB, and a long reach. This lets me run a 40mm stem while having a bike that fits and is super playful. I've toyed around with many other bikes, but always seem to come back to the big S, not because of brand loyalty or trend, but because their bikes work really really well.

  • JCL

    5/21/2013 10:08 AM

    I guess it depends on your preference but to me it's obvious that short chainstays will give you low front grip on flatter turns as you can't easily weight the front and more rearward weight distribution causes the bike to chopper out so to speak. Also the weight distribution requires more rear spring rate to cope with having more rear weight bias which causes front to rear imbalance. Again the best handling Specialized I've ridden is the Stumpy Evo 29" and I'm convinced the main reason the chainstays are 30mm longer than the 26" Evo.

    EDIT:

    I can't seem to reply to your post kellen? Anyway I agree with a lot of what you say but I have to disagree regarding chainstay length. I think Specialized is behind the times putting short chainstays on their bikes. Especially in the larger sizes. Sure the rearward weight distribution works when you're hanging off the back on steeps but it's simply not sound to have weight distribution so rearward. It doesn't work in any other form of wheeled vehicle from dirt bikes to rally cars. The same goes with such a mismatch of front to rear spring rates. It just leads to a poor overall balance like when hitting the upslope of a large jump fast all your mass loads the rear suspension and the fork does nothing. I own a Demo BTW and almost only ride Specialized bikes. The suspension is great on the Demo but if you get on something like a V-10 or Wilson you'll easily feel how being more centralised (and we're only talking 20-30mm here but it makes a hell of a difference) leads to the rear suspension being more efficient and requires you to do far less weight shifting to keep the bike from moving around it's roll centre.

    EDIT:

    "long wheel base, lack of being able to manual, not maneuverable, etc"

    Manualing is harder but the amount of time I really have to do one, especially racing is rare. The other two are myths. A DH bike has a longer wheelbase than any Enduro bike and they manoeuvre just fine. Using such short chainstays is the opposite of the low, slack, modern geometry. Think about the triangulation of mass between the axles. Bikes are already too rear biased as almost all mass is on the pedals. Anyway IMO the Enduro is flawed. It needs to be at least a degree slacker, the Orange Five29 is 66.5 and guess what? Everyone I know who's ridden that bike say it's fast as hell and doesn't suffer manoeuvrability in the slightest. I still think that if the Enduro 29" was so good Curtis would have ridden it in Punta Ala as weight would not be an issue with that bike. I think something else is going on.

  • kellen1230

    5/21/2013 12:06 PM

    I'm not really sure why you are disagreeing with me here. It sounds like you are more of an XC/Trail kind of guy ( or at least arguing that perspective), which is great. My original point is that this is not an "all mountain/Enduro" bike. If trails are steeper, and you come from a DH background where an aggressive attack position is your preferred place on a bike and learning the nuance of front end braking is how you think of corners, then having the longer front end, slacker head angle and shorter chain stay is exactly what you want. I would argue that Spesh airs on this side of the formula in ALL categories, including with their Stumpy. The fact is, the Enduro is arguably the best bike in the industry for its intended purpose: Enduro/All mountain. This remedy looks and feels more like a long-legged trail bike, than a true all mountain steed. When I think all mountain, I don't think of a steep, even footed, 140mm bike. This remedy seems like a slightly LESS aggressive Stumpy EVO 29, than a competitor for an Enduro (as the Remedy line has been slated by Trek). Flat corners aren't as much of a concern as I like to attack steeps and rocky trails. Hence my choice of an Enduro instead of a Stumpy (both of which I have owned).

  • kellen1230

    5/21/2013 12:09 PM

    Also, spring rate stops being set on even ground as the steepness increases. No one sets an entry level spring rate in DH on flat ground. As you get faster you want a stiffer spring anyway.

  • kellen1230

    5/21/2013 2:16 PM

    Again, my only point here is that this looks more like a slightly long legged, 29er Trail bike. That's my point. It's a rough equivalent to if Spesh had released the Stumpy EVO 29 and called it an Enduro. We would all be scratching our heads. The only real way for Spesh to make an all mountain bike, that hosts the advantages of a 29" platform, while minimizing the drawbacks (long wheel base, lack of being able to manual, not maneuverable, etc.) is to keep the chainstays short (which I would argue is actually a more modern approach given what the consumers are moving toward in nearly every category..low, slack, fast). The specialized Enduro 29 is unrivaled. It offers more travel than many 26" bikes fighting for a place in the All Mountain category. It also maintains aggressive angles, and keeps the bike tight and short. With advances in today's suspension technology (HSC, LSC, Rebound, etc) there is no reason to signficantly adjust spring rate bias for 1-2cm weighting issues. Additionally, I haven't heard anything other than glowing reviews for the bike. Going back to my initial post, I wondered out loud why anyone in the All-Mountain/Enduro family would choose this bike over and Enduro 29, if your intended purpose is truly Enduro style riding. I stand by that point and I haven't heard anything so far to disagree. 155mm of travel in a flickable 29er?!?! At 6'2", I've found my next steed.

  • skelldify

    5/20/2013 3:46 PM

    Hafta say, this news won't affect me at all. I already have a 29er xc bike, now I want a 26 or 27.5 aggressive trail bike for more "fun." Been looking at the Fuel/Remedy/Slash, can't decide which one, but I don't plan to get a 29er.

  • SanJoseDre

    5/20/2013 3:35 PM

    Enough with these proprietary shock sizes

  • jeff.brines

    5/21/2013 6:10 AM

    That's my only gripe...

  • erwinmruiz

    5/20/2013 3:33 PM

    this rocks

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