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Cheers for the critique, SDMTB'er.
I assure you that there are no biases toward the big boys vs the little guys. Vital has featured many very positive reviews of boutique brands, advertiser or not, including a handful of bikes made by Pivot.
There are a few distinctions that you should be aware of between the reviews. For starters, the Trek was reviewed by our 6'2" and 6'5" tall riders (as is clearly stated). The Pivot by our 5'8" and 5'10" testers. We do our best to tell you about each of the test riders in detail, something you won't find many other places. We list their height, weight, riding styles, and more. All so that you can better determine whether their experiences might mimic your own.
To clarify, regardless of the stem you put on a bike, the Reach measurement does not change. It's the horizontal distance between the center of the BB and the center of the top of the headtube. The size Large Pivot is very short - it's actually shorter than all 15 other men's bikes in our Test Sessions roundup, several of which are Mediums. The Trek has a much longer front center, somewhere near the top when comparing it to similarly sized bikes in the 160mm travel range.
Our testers will swap cockpit components as needed to improve the fit/feel of the bike, but also comment on the stock setup as well. Some bikes ride terribly with the stock stuff and are greatly improved with a wider/shorter combo. Others work well. For the tall guys, Trek's 750mm bar is far from ideal, and the 70mm stem doesn't quite align with the bike's capabilities. For the average height guys, Pivot's 755mm bar worked just fine, as did the slightly shorter 60mm stem. This is stated in both reviews. The M6 is a great bike in many respects, and we clearly describe where it excels.
Our ratings consider many factors, including value, price, build spec, geometry, weight, construction, how it climbs, how it descends, how it sprints, how it pumps, how it jumps, how the suspension performs, where it excels, where it doesn't, the little details, etc... The list is pretty exhaustive actually.
While it's easy to say that a bike review should just focus on the frame, there is so much more to how a bike rides than that. The suspension, tires, wheels, etc all come into play in a big way. Some companies do a great job with their builds, others overlook minor details that can end up having a big impact on the ride quality. If you're spending your money on it, don't you wan't to know how those things perform? In an ideal world we'd test all bikes with the exact same components and tire pressures, but that's just not how they're sold. They're each a sum of their parts, for better or worse.
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"Every" review on Vital? Sure about that? The Slash truly does shine as an all around ripper in its class, and it climbs far better than the head angle would lead most to believe. That's why those specific statements are included in this particular review.
I encourage you to read it again. There are several comparisons to the pre-2014 Slash and 2014 aluminum Slash. You're not going to find a direct comparison to other bikes (this isn't a shootout), however, but clear qualitative statements about how the bike handles many types of situations are in the review.
We'll consider comparisons to other popular bikes in future reviews.
Read the review: http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Trek/Slash-9-8-27-5,15171#product-reviews/1994
21 photo bonus gallery: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2015-Test-Sessions-2015-Trek-Slash-9-8-Carbon,8506/2015-Trek-Slash-9-8-Carbon,85641/sspomer,2
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Sure, you can see some photos here: http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/2015-Vital-MTB-Trail-Bike-Test-Sessions-Introduction,836
And here: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Just-The-Bangers-2015-Vital-MTB-Test-Sessions-Photo-Gallery,8473/Just-The-Bangers-2015-Vital-MTB-Test-Sessions-Photo-Gallery,85280/bturman,109
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Lear went for it, landed a little wild. That's why the video cuts out there. Haha. Nice one Team Furbs!
Cheers for logging on to leave this info. It'll be helpful for riders considering the bike.
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Good input. We've heard of other riders experiencing the delaminated sole. FiveTen has been quick to help them out with a warranty return/repair, so be sure to get in touch with them if you haven't already.
This was just one of many trails used to test the bikes. Unfortunately we're unable to post our video footage from the burlier trails (think non-stop rock action). While this trail is on the smoother side of the spectrum, it still offers some great perspective on how the bikes handle slalom-style terrain. We typically only rode it on short travel bikes, like the Intense Spider shown here.
No, we didn't. There is no denying the unique ride quality and potential fun factor of 27.5+, but it'd very likely drastically change the precise ride qualities described in this review.
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Banshee says the frame weighs 7.5-pounds with a Monarch and 142x12mm dropouts.
What durability issue do you foresee? Constant sliding of lights/cameras on/off the mount might wear it out to the point where things no longer stay secure, but I'd expect that Kali tested it out to ensure it's up for the long haul. They spend a lot of time lab and real-world testing before releasing products. We plan to test one and will let you know how it goes.
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No, we won't. As mentioned multiple times above and below, this isn't a shootout. The best bike for one person will be different than another, and depends on their riding style and terrain. Our goal is to write the reviews in a way that clearly articulates who we think each bike is best for.
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Here's another interesting cable routing option posted on Vital's Facebook page by Bertrand Zago. Requires the use of some stick-on guides from Jagwire.
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Cheers for chiming in, SDMTB'er. Sounds like a decent solution for the cables. Have you noticed any rubbing or premature wear as a result? Our preference is for shorter stems (50mm), wider bars (765mm), and a longer reach than what the Mach 6 provides. You'll notice most other manufacturers moving towards this type of setup on their AM/Trail/Enduro bikes. Here's a good article discussing the topic.
It's not super common, but we do see it occasionally. Unsure what the logic is.
Read the review: http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Pivot/Mach-6-Carbon-X01,15550#product-reviews/1989
Check out the photo gallery: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2015-Test-Sessions-2015-Pivot-Mach-6C-X01,8505/2015-Test-Sessions-2015-Pivot-Mach-6C-X01,85611/sspomer,2
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Read the review: http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Juliana/Furtado-Carbon-C-XX1,14886#product-reviews/1987
19 photos of the bike in action and up close: http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2015-Test-Sessions-2015-Santa-Cruz-Juliana-Furtado,8483/2015-Test-Sessions-2015-Santa-Cruz-Juliana-Furtado,85421/sspomer,2
Here's a whole lot of "proof" for ya. Enjoy.
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Is there a visual indicator? Intense lists it as a RCT3, and I'm not sure that he RLT is offered in 27.5" yet? - https://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/revelation-rlt
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