Liked a comment on the item We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back 10/17/2017 1:51 PM

Totally, damping is a bandaid solution for bad spring rates, but if your shock feels dead, damping is still an available bandaid solution.

This one of many reasons why I love air suspension- it's so hard to dial in spring rate with coils, and you can't do anything about spring curve progression- it...more

Added a comment about feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back 10/17/2017 1:48 PM
C50_92655940_1259870550

Great article, Vital rocks.
While I agree with what is stated in this article I've had different outcomes when testing coil vs air.

First off, what hasn't been mentioned here or in the Rockshox story is how the negative chamber works on an air shock. The negative air makes the shock softer at sag and can make the shock feel less poppy. The coil spring on the other hand is firmer at sag which gives the support so many people feel. I've found this to make the bike feel more poppy and faster.

Due to larger negative Evol and Debonair air cans this has become less noticeable. I'm just stating this because a lot of us have contradictory responses to what's stated in this article and it may be because we've all had older air shocks that feel different from today's fantastic air shocks.

Lastly, air shocks don't have bottom out bumpers that can cause a harsh bottom out. Riders that experience this resort to adding bands/tokens to get more progression. This causes ramp up throughout the stroke which isn't always desired. I think the reason they don't have bumpers is the O ring fun meter won't ever reach full travel which makes people think there's something wrong with their setup or have the wrong stroke shock. Coil shocks don't have travel measuring o rings so no one knows they're missing a few mm's of travel. Air shocks (and coils for that matter) should have 5 mm's more travel and bottom out bumpers to get the true stroke at bottom out!!!!!

+1 1 0

Members who like this comment

  • Vital MTB member ButtersNZ
    43916 ButtersNZ http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/43916/avatar/c50_19390631_10212862138249551_9169459462193586425_o_1498599269.jpg?1498598995 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/ButtersNZ,43916/all 03/08/17 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/ButtersNZ,43916/setup 5 1

This feature has 41 comments.

Added a comment about feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back 10/17/2017 1:34 PM
C50_92655940_1259870550

There were progressive springs for a while on MTB's. I think the reason we don't see them now is that they fatigue. Springs on bicycles are as short as they can be to save weight and, aside from new Metric shocks, there isn't room for a longer spring. With progressive wound springs a few coils work harder than the rest which causes them to sack out, get softer and break. Foes had 2 stage springs and we at Go-Ride made 2 stage springs for Fox 40's for a while before the dampers were up to snuff. Our springs would sack out rather quickly since the softer of the 2 springs did most of the work. The Foes springs were awesome, there was a limiter to keep the softer spring from being overly compressed. Foes discontinued theirs, the shocks were significantly longer which made them heavy, and hard to sell.

+1 1 0

Members who like this comment

  • Vital MTB member stagnant
    44511 stagnant http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/44511/avatar/c50_13027_MMS_1501470174000_attachment1_output_1503442555.jpg?1503441845 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/stagnant,44511/all 05/30/17 3

This feature has 41 comments.

Added reply in a thread Do Clipless Pedals Need a New Name? 10/16/2017 7:27 AM

Clips.

Liked a comment on the item TECH TALK: Air Shocks Versus Coil Shocks, What's Better? 10/14/2017 8:52 PM

I don't understand. If the adiabatic process occurs at high shaft speeds, why would that affect a low shaft speed moment like pushing into a jump face? By poppy I assume we're talking about jumping. Similarly, small bump impacts are high shaft speed moments, so by this same process...more

Added a comment about feature New BOS Forks and Shocks from Eurobike 8/31/2017 8:10 AM
C50_92655940_1259870550

56 mm offset is mentioned as typical, that seems like more than any fork out there. Is 56 ideal for 29" wheels and a long slack setup? I've yet to hear the numbers for a Fox 49 or a 29" boxxer. 51 is the current norm for long travel 29er forks and 27.5 Fox 40. Can you confirm?

0 0 0

This feature has 16 comments.

Added a comment about feature Pro Toolbox Check - John Hall's Treasure Chest 7/14/2017 3:00 PM
C50_92655940_1259870550

E13 cassette that requires 2 whips to unlock?

0 0 0

This feature has 22 comments.

Added a comment about photo Risse Racing Custom “Mad Max” Super E-Bike 4/16/2016 7:23 AM
C138_dsc3962

Why does this motorcycle have crank arms?

+5 5 0

Members who like this comment

  • Vital MTB member BBaldwin
    40424 BBaldwin /images/default/avatar/c50.png http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/BBaldwin,40424/all 04/16/16 1
  • Vital MTB member geezracer
    39142 geezracer http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/39142/avatar/c50_p4pb5122650_1453495337.jpg?1453495247 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/geezracer,39142/all 01/22/16 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/geezracer,39142/setup 1 7
  • Vital MTB member Dynamatt
    1802 Dynamatt http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/1802/avatar/c50_Screen_Shot_2012_11_05_at_9.33.32_PM.jpg?1352180400 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Dynamatt,1802/all 01/26/10 10 69
  • Vital MTB member stiingya
    22248 stiingya http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/22248/avatar/c50_fb_picture_1359969720.jpg?1361422338 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/stiingya,22248/all 02/20/13 1 5 78
  • Vital MTB member Big Bird
    6576 Big Bird http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/6576/avatar/c50_SmileySmall.jpg?1320728633 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Big-Bird,6576/all 02/01/11 11 50 1145 2862 13

This photo has 4 comments.

Added reply in a thread Yoann Barelli's Brake Lever Position 2/26/2016 8:11 PM

My wrists can't even bend like that any more! On a moto I wrap my left finger all the way around the lever since on is a clutch after all. The other side has a throttle, its easier to reach the lever when it's high. The lever s also need to fit behind ... more »

Added a comment about video Linkage Analysis - Santa Cruz V10c vs. Pivot Phoenix Carbon 2/19/2016 2:41 PM
C138x104

These are my two favorite DH bikes and I sell both!

It should be said that under braking the V 10 looks similar to the Phoenix but that is at sag. deeper in the travel the suspension becomes more active. This allows the bike to squat some and remain stable, but then still track well when deeper in the travel. Aside from the V 10, the Devinci Wilson does this in a similar way with the inverted Split Pivot design.

I usually like progressive bikes, the new generation shocks that employ an Ohlins style damper aren't progressive so the bike should be. But-- they have such incredible speed sensitive damping that the shocks make up for the lack of progressiveness. Curious to see the progressiveness of DH bikes evolves as the shocks evolve too. Notice how the fastest World Cup riders have custom links to make them more progressive.

0 0 0

This video has 7 comments.

Liked a comment on the item 12-inches of Travel with 24-inch Wheels in Moab - Canfield and Krispy, 2001 1/27/2016 5:52 AM

sick, thanks for the bike update...and the hucking 14 years ago haha. i fixed the description. i still get freaked out thinking about what you guys rode down and off out there. #concrete

Added a comment about video 12-inches of Travel with 24-inch Wheels in Moab - Canfield and Krispy, 2001 1/26/2016 7:30 PM
C138x104

Holy shit! The good old days of free riding the rock!

I was on an Armageddon, single shock, 11" travel BTW. Still got seat buzz even with 24's so I never switched to the Apocalypse.

0 0 0

This video has 10 comments.

Added a comment about photo WORLD CUP PIT BITS - Greg Minnaar's Santa Cruz V10cc Limo 7/2/2015 6:55 AM
C138_ltr_3937

So is the linkage longer or what? That would change up a whole mess of things!

0 0 0

This photo has 3 comments.

Added a comment about photo Logan Peat's Prototype Santa Cruz Slopestyle Bike 4/18/2015 6:39 AM
C138_bt_20150416_untitled_shoot_275

Look at that lower link- that's nothing like SC has done before. That's a lot of work for a one off bike! Quite different wheelpath and shock rate just for a slope bike. Cool stuff.

0 1 1

This photo has 13 comments.

Added a comment about photo Loic Bruni's Lapierre DH Team 4/14/2015 5:58 AM
C138_lapierre_dh_2_8

33 mm cockpit? You meant 35

0 0 0

This photo has 3 comments.

Added a comment about photo Loic Bruni's Lapierre DH Team 4/14/2015 5:56 AM
C138_lapierre_dh_2_14

That's a large bottom out bumper.

+1 1 0

Members who like this comment

  • Vital MTB member Colin McCarthy
    4438 Colin McCarthy http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/4438/avatar/c50_170319_bezos_robot_2_630x530_1490080473.jpg?1490079646 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Colin-McCarthy,4438/all 09/12/10 3 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Colin-McCarthy,4438/setup 3 120 166

This photo has 3 comments.

Added a comment about photo New SRAM Guide Brakes? 3/28/2015 6:54 AM
C138_bt_20150327_untitled_shoot_028

Looks like the pad opening is larger, the pads are a little tricky to get to fit in just right sometimes. That could help with cooling and mud as well. Separate bolt for the hose too, might add stiffness with a 3rd bolt.

0 0 0

This photo has 7 comments.

Added a comment about product review Tested: Commencal Meta AM V4 1/6/2015 10:47 AM
C50_92655940_1259870550

I love Vital bike tests, but only 1 paragraph about the actual ride leaves a lot to be desired.

0 0 0

This product_review has 11 comments.

Added a comment about news blog RESULTS: Enduro World Series, Trestle Bike Park 7/25/2014 5:47 PM
C50_92655940_1259870550

Yeah MITCH!!!!!!

0 0 0

This news blog has 6 comments.

Added a comment about feature First Look: 2015 Yeti SB5c with Switch Infinity Technology 7/17/2014 6:22 AM
C50_92655940_1259870550

I got in a lunch ride at Yeti 2 days ago and had similar impression of the bike. Extremely smooth, no harsh bottom, firm climbing, and it felt like closer to 6" of travel. It looks a little complicated at first but it is more simple and much easier to maintain than the previous version. It has a downhillers geo as well. It's priced the same as the other guys out there and at the weight it hits its no heavier than other multi link designs. There aught to be sub $5000 build options soon as well.

+4 4 0

Members who like this comment

  • Vital MTB member Nicholast
    14109 Nicholast http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/14109/avatar/c50_avatar92.jpg?1366320727 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Nicholast,14109/all 03/14/12 1 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/Nicholast,14109/setup 6 51 399 2
  • Vital MTB member bturman
    109 bturman http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/109/avatar/c50_profile_1487817150.jpg?1487816891 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/bturman,109/all 08/01/09 1116 96 6155 946 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/bturman,109/setup 276 1295 2326 170 41
  • Vital MTB member MTB_Tico
    29383 MTB_Tico http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/29383/avatar/c50_IMG_20120924_085224_1390594523.jpg?1390594262 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/MTB-Tico,29383/all 01/24/14 3
  • Vital MTB member mrpowerjd
    21660 mrpowerjd http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/21660/avatar/c50_fb_picture_1574198553.jpg?1360382891 http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/mrpowerjd,21660/all 02/08/13 2 22 343 1

This feature has 7 comments.